Hi Jeffrey,
Thanks for double-checking.
We plan to launch the <geolocation> element directly to shipping in M143
without a separate OT. Since, the current PEPC trial has already validated
the core principles, security, and user flow. The <geolocation> element
isn't a significant enough change from what we've already tested to warrant
a brand new trial.

Best,
Minh

On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 7:17 PM Jeffrey Yasskin <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Double-checking: is this origin trial for the <permission> element or the
> <geolocation> element? Are you planning a separate origin trial for
> <geolocation> before that ships, or are you expecting that element to go
> straight to shipping?
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 7:04 AM Mike Taylor <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks - LGTM to extend to M143.
>>
>> But we'll need 3 owners for the higher %. LGTM1 for that.
>> On 9/26/25 9:31 a.m., Minh Le wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> thank you so much for your quick reply and instructions, I hit the button
>> :)
>> And I will let the partners know as soon as we get the new token.
>> Best,
>> Minh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 3:24 PM Mike Taylor <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I see a lot of good reasons to extend here. But could you please go to
>>> your chromestatus entry and in the Origin Trial section click "Request
>>> another trial extension" button, and fill it out with the details in this
>>> message?
>>>
>>> A note on timing: the OT expires in M140, which means that users who
>>> upgrade to M141 (scheduled to go out next week) will no longer have access
>>> to the feature. November 11th is the day after the hard-coded expiration
>>> date of Nov 10th for all users (i.e., folks who haven't upgraded past 140).
>>> That means your partners will need to deploy the newly minted extension
>>> token before 141 goes out to avoid any disruption. So if you click on that
>>> button I can approve and maybe they can hit that deadline.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Mike
>>> On 9/26/25 6:11 a.m., 'Minh Le' via blink-dev wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello blink-dev,
>>>
>>> Our team requests two changes for the existing Permission Element
>>> (PEPC) Origin Trial. <https://chromestatus.com/feature/5125006551416832>
>>>
>>>    1.
>>>
>>>    A timeline extension for three milestones, to M143.
>>>    2.
>>>
>>>    An increase in the page load limit from 0.5% to ~5% of Chrome page
>>>    loads.
>>>
>>> The current Origin Trial for PEPC is set to expire with M140 (Nov
>>> 11th), while we are targeting the launch of the standardized <geolocation>
>>> API <https://github.com/WICG/PEPC/blob/main/geolocation_explainer.md>in
>>> M143 and preparing a new OT for a <usermedia> API
>>> <https://github.com/WICG/PEPC/blob/main/usermedia_element.md>. The
>>> extension is needed to prevent a disruption for our partners, and the page
>>> load increase is critical for new experimentation and for ensuring a
>>> smooth, validated path to a full launch.
>>> Rationale for Extension & Page Load Increase
>>>
>>> The PEPC API is already providing significant, measurable user benefits
>>>
>>>    1.
>>>
>>>    Unlocking Value and De-risking the Launch:
>>>    -
>>>
>>>       Preventing Partner Disruption: For example, in a high-traffic web
>>>       service, users who specifically clicked 'Use precise location' 
>>> previously
>>>       encountered barriers to changing their settings if they had blocked
>>>       location permissions. PEPC resolved this, leading to approximately 
>>> +17pp
>>>       and +36pp increases in successfully adjusting settings on Desktop and
>>>       Mobile, respectively.” Extending the trial ensures that partners like 
>>> Zoom,
>>>       Cisco, Zaplmoves, and OLX BR, Meet, Search and others do not lose
>>>       this functionality until we roll this change out. (see some use cases
>>>       here
>>>       <https://developer.chrome.com/blog/rethinking-web-permissions>)
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       Validating at Scale: An increased page load limit allows our
>>>       high-traffic partners to scale their successful implementations 
>>> beyond the
>>>       current OT cap. This delivers the feature's proven benefits to a wider
>>>       audience sooner and, critically, allows us to validate that the 
>>> positive
>>>       results from a small experiment carry over at a larger scale, 
>>> mitigating
>>>       risks before the full M143 launch.
>>>       2.
>>>
>>>    Enabling New, High-Impact Experimentation: We need to increase the
>>>    page load limit to validate PEPC's integration with the upcoming 
>>> Approximate
>>>    Location
>>>    <https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/approximate-geolocation>
>>>    feature.
>>>    -
>>>
>>>       PEPC provides a natural, user-initiated entry point for managing
>>>       location granularity (e.g., changing from approximate to precise and 
>>> vice
>>>       versa).
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       To get this right, we need to test several UI variations
>>>       (different button treatments and prompts) for this new user flow.
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       A higher page load limit is necessary to gather statistically
>>>       significant data across these experimental arms, ensuring we can
>>>       differentiate user behavior and build the best possible experience 
>>> before
>>>       launch.
>>>       3.
>>>
>>>    New Experimentation Plan: Based on valuable feedback from other
>>>    browser vendors, we are splitting the generic <permission> element into
>>>    capability-specific elements. This OT extension provides a bridge to that
>>>    future:
>>>    -
>>>
>>>       Geolocation: The learnings from the current OT (including the
>>>       Approximate Location experiments) will directly inform the launch of 
>>> the
>>>       new <geolocation> element, targeted for M143.
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       User Media (Camera/Mic): We will create a new, separate OT for
>>>       <usermedia> to continue collaborative development on its API shape 
>>> after
>>>       the current OT expires.
>>>
>>> This plan ensures continuity for our partners while allowing us to ship
>>> the most stable, consensus-driven solution. We appreciate your
>>> consideration and welcome any questions.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Minh on behalf of the Chrome PEPC Team
>>>
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