Hmm... this is pretty fragile, e.g. you are missing the interleaving that
occurs for anchor-positioning for example.
https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/renderer/core/css/style_engine.cc;l=3896;drc=4ae3a738cbcbfb87d2bf747e530650484e448361;bpv=1;bpt=1

> What's the usecase for separating them out?

Can you expand on the usecase for separating them out? There are many
implementation differences here (e.g. where does each engine account for
layout-tree construction)? And having them as a unified bucket would
mitigate that between implementations.

Ian

On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 9:31 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/renderer/core/frame/animation_frame_timing_monitor.cc;l=887?q=render_style_duration_during_layout_&ss=chromium%2Fchromium%2Fsrc
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 6:28 PM Ian Kilpatrick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 9:18 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 6:12 PM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Having style and layout interleaved doesn't prevent us from accounting
>>>> for the time each took separately.
>>>>
>>>
>>> To expand on that, the implementation accounts for style and layout
>>> being potentially interleaved and augments the relevant duration of each
>>> accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Where is the implementation for this?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 6:04 PM Ian Kilpatrick <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah I see Emilio gave the same feedback here:
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/long-animation-frames/pull/30#issuecomment-3819162688
>>>>> can you address this before experimenting?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> I can reply, sure.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 9:02 AM Ian Kilpatrick <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 8:58 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Contact emails*
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Explainer*
>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/long-animation-frames/pull/30#issue-3828859369
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Specification*
>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/long-animation-frames/pull/30
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Summary*
>>>>>>> Add `styleDuration`, `forcedStyleDuration`, `layoutDuration` and
>>>>>>> `forcedLayoutDuration` information to the Long Animation Frame API,
>>>>>>> enabling developers to distinguish style and layout times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its incorrect to think of style and layout as two separate things
>>>>>> now. They can be interleaved. What's the usecase for separating them out?
>>>>>> E.g. can the API be simplified as a styleLayoutDuration and
>>>>>> forcedStyleLayoutDuration ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Blink component*
>>>>>>> Blink>PerformanceAPIs
>>>>>>> <https://issues.chromium.org/issues?q=customfield1222907:%22Blink%3EPerformanceAPIs%22>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Web Feature ID*
>>>>>>> Missing feature
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *TAG review*
>>>>>>> *Not yet.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *TAG review status*
>>>>>>> Pending
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Risks*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Interoperability and Compatibility*
>>>>>>> *New attributes, so no compatibility risk. In terms of Interop, this
>>>>>>> doesn't increase the interop risk of LoAF, which is currently only 
>>>>>>> shipped
>>>>>>> in Chromium.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Gecko*: No signal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *WebKit*: No signal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Web developers*: Shopify developers need the data these attributes
>>>>>>> expose in order to better understand CSS performance bottlenecks in the
>>>>>>> wild.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Other signals*:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *WebView application risks*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such
>>>>>>> that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based 
>>>>>>> applications?
>>>>>>> *No.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Goals for experimentation*
>>>>>>> *See if the API provides the right data that enables developers to
>>>>>>> understand their CSS performance bottlenecks.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ongoing technical constraints*
>>>>>>> *No.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Debuggability*
>>>>>>> *Not applicable.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows,
>>>>>>> Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?*
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md>?*
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Flag name on about://flags*
>>>>>>> *No information provided*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Finch feature name*
>>>>>>> *LongAnimationFrameStyleDuration*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Non-finch justification*
>>>>>>> *No information provided*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Requires code in //chrome?*
>>>>>>> False
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Tracking bug*
>>>>>>> https://issues.chromium.org/issues/476826067
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Estimated milestones*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M147-M152
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5171478175809536?gate=5452953152520192
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Links to previous Intent discussions*
>>>>>>> Intent to Prototype:
>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOmohSJxRuMp6Ha5RVCjzNfsG0Sj96Y%3Dgy9LnxtM%2Brq-S6DEew%40mail.gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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