Why not use windows 11 then? Just a thought! /A > 13 apr. 2022 kl. 15:47 skrev Linux for blind general discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com>: > > Again, you compare apples to oranges. Mutt requires tons of configuration > hoops to be jumped through before it is even somewhat useful. This is far > worse than the first-run experience in Thunderbird. You say you just transfer > a file to get Mutt working on a new machine. The only difference with > Thunderbird is that you have to transfer a folder instead of a file. So > Thunderbird is still the clear winner here, since it takes far less time to > get it set up and actually reading and responding to mail if you've never > used it. Once configured, since I already turned off the calendar and such in > my initial setup process, and since I needed to set up my email accounts > anyway, I found that the new account screen is far easier to use than Mutt's > initial configuration hassles, and I only press shift+tab once to get to my > message list, which is how it will work if I transfer the ~/.thunderbird > folder to a new machine as well, and it will then bypass the new account > setup and just work as I exp ect wherever I want to use it. > > > I totally agree about the sensible keybindings. Thins are finally starting to > move in that direction, and this is a good thing indeed. Still, there is a > lot of work to be done, and most terminal applications will probably have to > be rebuilt from the ground up, while still others will need to be developed > in order to make the terminal a somewhat more hospitable place for anyone > other than a power user. Yes, I do use a terminal for some things that I just > find a bit easier that way, but for a long time now, even though most > tutorials seem to focus on the power user by telling people to open up a > terminal, most of that stuff is copy and paste kind of stuff, and much of it > can be done without a terminal as well. It certainly can't hurt to learn a > bit about it, but it is a pretty scary place for people who are new to > computers. Fortunately though, we do have easy-to-use desktops and > applications, and I was able to successfully show someone how to do anything > they needed to do on their c omputer, including some pretty advanced stuff, without opening a terminal even once, since the terminal is still useful for some things, but has not been the only way to do things for some time now. Again, I don't knock it, but it definitely can be scary even now that the landscape has improved somewhat fairly recently, and if I can, I avoid terminal use, not for myself, but for teaching new users how to use a Linux computer. I definitely will steer clear of things like Mutt, and certainly EMACS, as these are the kings of the scariest terminal lands that seem to be popular among power users, but I gave up on trying to make these work years ago, as power user though I am, I couldn't get past the extremely steep learning curve just to get them configured. Oh yeah, and Edbrowse was another that I just couldn't get to do anything meaningful for me. Again, that was many years ago now, but I doubt it has become less scary and more usable over the course of that time. Just trying to figure out how to get it to show me part of a single page on a website was not something I could get working, let alone actually trying to click a link that goes somewhere else, even on the same page. > > ~Kyle > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >
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