I'm curious as to why one would need low priority class if you were using 
fq_codel?  Are the LEDBAT flows indistinguishable?  Is there no congestion 
signalling (no drops, no ECN)? The main reason I ask is that end-to-end flows 
should share capacity well enough without magical and rarely implemented things 
like diffserv and intserv.


On Monday, May 18, 2015 8:30am, "Simon Barber" <si...@superduper.net> said:





I am likely out of date about Windows Update, but there's many other programs 
that do background downloads or uploads that don't implement LEDBAT or similar 
protection. The current AQM recommendation draft in the IETF will make things 
worse, by not drawing attention to the fact that implementing AQM without 
implementing a low priority traffic class (such as DSCP 8 - CS1) will prevent 
solutions like LEDBAT from working, or there being any alternative. Would 
appreciate support on the AQM list in the importance of this.
Simon
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On May 18, 2015 4:42:43 AM "Eggert, Lars" <l...@netapp.com> wrote:On 2015-5-18, 
at 07:06, Simon Barber <[ si...@superduper.net ]( mailto:si...@superduper.net 
)> wrote:

Windows update will kill your Skype call.
Really? AFAIK Windows Update has been using a LEDBAT-like scavenger-type 
congestion control algorithm for years now.
Lars
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