Looking at chipsets coming/just arrived from the chipset vendors, I think we will see CPE with 10G SFP+ and 802.11ax Q3/Q4 this year. Price is of course a bit steeper than the 15USD USB DSL modem :P, but probably fits nicely for the SMB segment.
Pedro On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <j...@aenertia.net> wrote: > Bingo; that's definitely step one - gateways capable of 10gbit > becoming the norm. > > On 4 December 2017 at 23:43, Pedro Tumusok <pedro.tumu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > For in home or even SMB, I doubt that 10G to the user PC is the main use > > case. > > Its having the uplink capable of support of more than1G, that 1G does not > > necessarily need to be generated by only one host on the LAN. > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <j...@aenertia.net> > > wrote: > >> > >> How to deliver a switch, when the wiring and port standard isn't > >> actually workable? > >> > >> 10GBase-T is out of Voltage Spec with SFP+ ; you can get copper SFP+ > >> but they are out of spec... 10GbaseT doesn't really work over Cat5e > >> more than a couple of meters (if you are lucky) and even Cat6 is only > >> rated at 30M... there is a reason no-one is producing Home Copper > >> switches and it's not just the NIC Silicon cost (that was a factor > >> until Recently obviously, but only part of the equation). > >> > >> On the flip side: > >> Right now I am typing this via a 40gbit network, comprised of the > >> cheap and readily available Tb3 port - it's daisy chained and limited > >> to 6 ports, but right now it's easily the cheapest and most effective > >> port. Pitty that the fabled optical tb3 cables are damn expensive... > >> so you're limited to daisy-chains of 2m. They seem to have screwed the > >> pooch on the USB-C network standard quite badly - which looked so > >> promising, so for the moment Tb3 it is for me at least. > >> > >> On 4 December 2017 at 23:18, Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se> > wrote: > >> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > >> > > >> >> I'm not going to pretend that 1Gig isn't enough for most people. But > I > >> >> refuse to believe it's the networks equivalent of a 10A power (20A > >> >> depending on where you live in the world) AC residential phase > >> >> distribution circuit. > >> > > >> > > >> > That's a good analogy. I actually believe it is, at least for the near > >> > 5-10 > >> > years. > >> > > >> >> This isn't a question about what people need, it's more about what > the > >> >> market can deliver. 10GPON (GPON-X) and others now make it a viable > >> >> service that can and is being deployed in residential and commercial > >> >> access networks. > >> > > >> > > >> > Well, you're sharing that bw with everybody else on that splitter. > >> > Sounds to > >> > me that the service being delivered over that would instead be in the > >> > 2-3 > >> > gigabit/s range for the individual subscriber (this is what I > typically > >> > see > >> > on equivalent shared mediums, that the top speed individual > >> > subscriptions > >> > are will be in the 20-40% of max theoretical speed the entire solution > >> > can > >> > deliver). > >> > > >> >> The problem is now that Retail Servicer Provider X can deliver a post > >> >> Gigabit service... what is capable of taking it off the ONU/CMNT > point > >> >> in > >> >> the home? As usual it's a follow the money question, once RSP's can > >> >> deliver > >> >> Gbit+ they will need an ecosystem in the home to feed into it, and > >> >> right now > >> >> there isn't a good technology platform that supports it; > >> >> 10GBase-X/10GBaseT > >> >> is a non-starter due to the variability in home wiring - arguably > the 7 > >> >> year > >> >> leap from 100-1000mbit was easy It's mean a gap of 12 years and > >> >> counting for > >> >> the same.. it's not just the NIC's and CPU's in the gateways it's the > >> >> connector and in-home wiring problems as well. > >> > > >> > > >> > As soon as one goes above 1GE, prices increases A LOT on everything > >> > involved. I doubt we'll see any 2.5G or higher speed equipment in wide > >> > use > >> > in home/SME in the next 5 years. > >> > > >> >> Blatant Plug - request : > >> >> I'm interested to hear opinions on this as I have a talk on this very > >> >> topic 'The long and Winding Road to 10Gbit+ in the home' > >> >> https://linux.conf.au/ at Linuxconf in January. In particular if you > >> >> have any home network gore/horror stories and photos you would be > >> >> happy for me to include in my talk, please include. > >> > > >> > > >> > I am still waiting for a decently priced 10GE switch. I can get 1GE > >> > 24port > >> > managed ones, fanless, for 100-200USD. As soon as I go 10GE, price > jumps > >> > up > >> > a lot, and I get fans. The NICs aren't widely available, even though > >> > they're > >> > not the biggest problem. My in-house cabling can do 10GE, but I guess > >> > I'm an > >> > outlier. > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swm...@swm.pp.se > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bloat mailing list > >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards / Mvh > > Jan Pedro Tumusok > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > > cerowrt-de...@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > > -- Best regards / Mvh Jan Pedro Tumusok
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