It would of course be very nice to have the budget to do a press
release once in a while. But we had to do a bake sale to run the last
one.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:12 AM Jonathan Foulkes <j...@jonathanfoulkes.com> 
wrote:
>
> Perhaps that is our problem? We are hallucinating and disconnected from 
> reality?
>
>
> Don’t think so, I have plenty of data points that prove it exists on hundreds 
> and hundreds of ISPs, with more added daily.
>
> And some of the commenters seem to want to insult Jim Gettys, too, by name, 
> saying that he "got it wrong".
>
>
> Yes, that particularly pissed me off. Many of the folks involved in fixing 
> this issue are under-recognized.
>
> Might I suggest some PR, like a press release on major releases of key 
> components, such as Cake, or when OpenWrt drops a major point release that 
> ingrates new bloat-mitigation features. Since OpenWrt 21.x is about to drop, 
> the draft should circulate in the coming weeks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonathan Foulkes
>
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 3:45 PM, David P. Reed <dpr...@deepplum.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm... good post, I guess. But aren't WiFi 6 and StarLink being built by 
> people who have proved their genius by being billionaires?
>
>
>
> It's sad, though, to read through the comments. There's a whole 'nother world 
> out there now.
> Apparently the world of commenters are largely convinced bufferbloat doesn't 
> exist, and never did.
>
>
>
> Perhaps that is our problem? We are hallucinating and disconnected from 
> reality?
>
>
>
> I constantly hear that IETF attendees don't believe it is a problem. And 
> folks like Andy Bechtolsheim get loads of VC money to create Ethernet 10+ 
> GigE switches that are full of buffers, therefore creating lots of lag under 
> load in datacenters where they buy this gear because Andy is famous. AndyB's 
> company even produce white papers that claim more buffers improves 
> performance by keeping all the links running at wirespeed (the hell with 
> latency).
>
>
>
> And some of the commenters seem to want to insult Jim Gettys, too, by name, 
> saying that he "got it wrong".
>
>
>
> I've concluded that COVID-19 reflects a general infection of brains with some 
> kind of arrogant ignorance, including many of the folks who get boondoggles 
> from their company to attend IETF.
>
>
>
> But it may be the opposite, after all. Maybe we folks don't understand what 
> is true in this real Bizarro World, and bufferbloat is a hoax like COVID. Q 
> is probably right, and we are probably all pederasts like Hillary Clinton.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 8:45pm, "Dave Taht" <dave.t...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > https://www.cringely.com/2021/02/04/2021-prediction-4-wifi-6-is-a-bust-for-now-as-bufferbloat-returns-thanks-to-isp-greed/
> >
> >
> > --
> > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
> > relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman
> >
> > d...@taht.net <Dave Täht> CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729
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