I forgot to add - the workshop has a great summary at https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5594.html
On 9/28/23, 17:07, "Livingood, Jason" <jason_living...@cable.comcast.com <mailto:jason_living...@cable.comcast.com>> wrote: On 9/28/23, 16:06, "Sebastian Moeller" <moell...@gmx.de <mailto:moell...@gmx.de> <mailto:moell...@gmx.de <mailto:moell...@gmx.de>>> wrote: >> The answer ended up being a mix of more capacity, apps being more responsive >> to other LAN demands, and then advancements in congestion control & queuing. >> But there were many customers who were basically self-congesting w/P2P and >> VoIP running in their home. > [SM] So is it fair to say that the problam was also caused by a rapidly > change in usage profiles or was that the smaller problem, if at all a problem? It was certainly a problem. Like I said, a combination of factors. Certainly though, P2P (and it's associated aggressive underlying protocol) was huge - estimated at 70% of traffic volume in 2006. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2017/06/01/the-long-slow-decline-of-bittorrent/ <https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2017/06/01/the-long-slow-decline-of-bittorrent/> Side note - a lot of IETF work flowed from the P2P workshop the IETF held in response to all this, including new WGs - LEDBAT, ALTO, CDNI. JL PS - some of the P2P workshop papers would be interesting to read again if we could find them: [1] Nick Weaver - The case for "Ugly Now" User Fairness [2] Paul Jessop - Position paper of the RIAA [3] Nikloaos Laotaris, Pablo Rodriguez, Laurent Massoulie - ECHOES: Edge Capacity Hosting Overlays of Nano Data Centers [4] Bruce Davie, Stefano Previdi, Jan Medved, Albert Tian - Peer Selection Guidance [5] Marie-Jose Montpetit - Community Networks: getting P2P out of prison - the next steps [6] D. Bryan, S. Dawkins, B. Lowekamp, E. Shim - Infrastructure-related Attributes of App Scenarios for P2PSIP [7] Jiang XingFeng - Analysis of the Service Discovery in DHT network [8] R. Penno - P2P Status and Requirements [9] Patrick Crowley and Shakir James - Symbiotic P2P: Resolving the conflict between ISPs and BitTorrent through mutual cooperation [10] Robb Topolski - Framing Peer to Peer File Sharing [11] M. Stiemerling, S. Niccolini, S. Kiesel, J. Seedorf - A Network Cooperative Overlay System [12] Y. Wang, S. Tan, R. Grove - Traffic Localization with Multi-Layer, Tracker-Based Peer-to-Peer Content Distribution Architecture [13] Haiyong Xie, Y. Richard Yang, Avi Silberschatz, Arvind Krishnamurthy, Laird Popkin - P4P: Provider Portal for P2P Applications [14] Michael Merritt, Doug Pasko, Laird Popkin - Network-Friendly Peer-to-Peer Services [15] Camiant (Jackson) - Camiant Submission [16] Jason Livingood, Rich Woundy - Comcast Submission [17] Benny Rodrig - Enterprise IP Networks and the P2P Traffic Load Impact [18] Ted Hardie - Peer-to-Peer traffic and "Unattended Consequences" [19] Jiang XingFeng, Ning Zong - Content Replication for Internet P2P Applications [20] Sandvine (Dundas) - Analysis of Traffic Demographics in Broadbank networks [21] Sandvine (Dundas) - Traffic Management in a World with Network Neutrality [22] Stanislav Shalunov - Users want P2P, we make it work [23] R. Cuevas, A. Cuevas, I. Martinez-Yelmo, C. Guerrero - Internet scale mobility service: a case study on building a DHT based service for ISPs [24] M. Barnes, B. McCormick - Peer to Peer Infrastructure Considerations [25] Henning Schulzrinne - Encouraging Bandwidth Efficiency for Peer-to-Peer Applications [26] Damien Saucez, Benoit Donnet, Olivier Bonaventure, Dimitri Papdimitriou - Towards an Open Path Selection Architecture [27] Eric Rescorla - Notes on P2P Blocking and Evasion [28] Vinay Aggrawal, Anja Feldmann - ISP-Aided Neighbor Selection in P2P Systems [29] Enrico Marocco, Vijay K. Gurbani, Volker Hilt, Ivica Rimac, Marco Tomsu - Peer-to-Peer Infrastructure: A Survey of Research on the Application-Layer Traffic Optimization Problem and the Need for Layer Cooperation [30] Tony Moncaster, Bob Briscoe, Louise Burness - Is There a Problem With Peer-to-peer Traffic? [31] David Sohn, Alissa Cooper - Peer-to-Peer Infrastructure Considerations [32] Bob Briscoe, Lou Burness, Tony Moncaster, Phil Eardley - Solving this traffic management problem... and the next, and the next _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat