Hi,
On 2012-09-05 07:01:25 +0000, Thierry Florac said:
Hi,
Le Tue, 04 Sep 2012 16:31:29 -0500,
Christopher Lozinski <[email protected]> a �crit:
Don't use the Zope Component Architecture.
Sure use the libraries that come with it, but just do you own app in
python on the ZODB.
Of course if you are building Twisted, which runs on multiple
operating systems, with multiple protocols, transport layers,
reactors, developers and dependent libraries, then ZCA is the way to
go.
But I just want to build simple websites, single developer, single
server, a few classes. I want them to be quick and easy to get up and
running. Python and ZODB are best for that. I can happily loose ZCA,
Interfaces, Registers, ZCML, subclassing Folders just to be able to
add a class, and lot more of the Zope 3 complexity, while keeping all
of the underlying rich and wonderful libraries.
Or can I? Now I just have to figure out how to do this. In
particular I do need security, and would like to use Zope Schema. Of
course I will keep Twisted and Zope dispatch.
If you want to use Python and ZODB without ZCA "complexity" for simple
projects, there are probably two tracks to follow :
- GROK, which is based over Zope 3 but simplifies many operations
- Pyramid, which *can* use ZODB and is very "open-minded" (ZODB or
not, ZCML or not, ZCA or not...) !
My take is similar (as someone who does not follow Bluebream very closely):
- You are complaining because in order to create a "Bluebream app" one
needs to understand the ZCA. If for no other reason, then to follow the
steps of "Hello World" in bluebream (is there such a thing?)
- You are suggesting now that Bluebream rid itself of the ZCA
complexities a la pyramid.
Grok avoids ZCA complexity by moving ZCML to Python. Pyramid avoids it
by completly hiding it from the "end user" (developers). A move or
focus on this approach for Bluebream probably makes sense, though I
don't know anything about the logistics of doing so.
Nits:
- Zope 3 is dead[1], long live Bluebream, the ZCA, ZTK, etc. !
Alex
[1] Confusingly, there may end up being a Zope 4…
Best regards,
Thierry
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