I agree with Callum, the UI issue of an unscrollable scrollbar is a worse issue 
than 
the jarring 11 pixel shift.  That said, for some (very few) sites I have forced 
the page to be 
height 100% plus a few pixels of padding to force the bar to appear for a short 
page or 
intentionally offcentered by 1/2 the width of the scrollbar by browser sniffing 
and adjusting 
the padding of a div within the centered div - letting it shift left or right 
to offset the centerline 
shift.  This only works if the short pages are predictable or measureable with 
javascript.  
One other 'hack' I have seen - you can style the color of the scrollbar in some 
browsers to 
effectively force it on and then 'grey it out' by setting all element colors to 
match/disappear 
into your background if it's a consistent color.

I have to say most people don't notice/care.  It's the nature of centered sites.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George M. A. Cumming Jr. 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:43 PM
  Subject: [BP #3129] Re: Inexplicable left shift


  Thanks Callum,

  It's always the obvious thing right beneath your nose that's the hardest to 
see.

  I appreciate the suggestion for  body {overflow-y: scroll;}. 

  I'll give it a try.

  Thanks,

  George

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