2009/4/10 Bill Stoddard <[email protected]> > Samul Kevin wrote: > >> 2009/4/8 Bill Stoddard <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> Samul Kevin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2009/4/8 Bertrand Delacretaz <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Samul Kevin <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2009#preview... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> It would be good, IMHO, to include some info about the community side >>>>> of things...a recent thread [1] seems to indicate that most of the >>>>> BlueSky committers are not working on the project anymore. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And the people who are now contributing to the project are not listed >>>> as >>>> commiters. It does not matter. Though acting slowly, people are >>>> working. >>>> I >>>> am now more seriously concerned about the progress. I thought the >>>> speeding >>>> of podling would be fastened , however, it is still like turtle >>>> crawling....in 1 and 3/4 month since the beginning of this semester. >>>> Yes, >>>> things get a little better now. But i don't think it is good enough. We >>>> have >>>> reasons, as having classes or working on several projects >>>> simultaneously, >>>> nevertheless, i don't think we can treat them as excuses to fend off not >>>> doing THIS PROJECT good. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> A critical milestone will be getting the code grant in place and checking >>> the code into svn. When the code is checked into svn, we can look for >>> contributors from outside the XJTU students and begin building a >>> sustainable >>> community (I think we have some people in India interested in the >>> project). >>> We simply have to begin releasing code from the ASF if the project is >>> ever to take the next step to sustainability. Samul, I will work with >>> you >>> this week to do the next round of code review; >>> Here is the software grant that XJTU needs to submit for code developed >>> by >>> XJTU: http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt >>> Please review and begin preparing it. >>> >>> >> >> ok, i will dig into it as soon as finish my coding work. >> >> >> >>> Now... I have a very difficult question to ask... >>> Bluesky project relies heavily on video technology, most of which is not >>> suitable for redistribution by the ASF (due to licensing terms and >>> condition). The team has made a great effort over the past year to >>> scrub >>> the project clean of incompatibly licensed code, but is it enough? My >>> concern is that the project will never be able to resolve the >>> difficulties >>> around the licensing of the video technologies... and that maybe the ASF >>> is >>> not the best home for Bluesky for this reason. >>> >>> >> >> yes, the critical part of Bluesky system is video and audio tech. Surely >> we >> can't us FFmpeg, but at least we could try to find a suitalbe replacement >> which in my opinion, there is chance that this problem could be solved. >> >> >> >>> My question... can we really succeed in realizing the goals of the >>> bluesky >>> project under the license and legal constraints imposed by the ASF? Is it >>> really possible? >>> >>> >>> >> >> i talked to a friend today. And she analized me as a man who has good >> traits except self-confidence. she thought that I always think about the >> worst part so that i am used to be hesitating on doing things. Though i >> am >> gradually change this defect these days, no shame to say, i guest it >> contributes most in my not finding a girlfriend-_-!. >> i assume to complete this project as to hitch a girl who you love but >> pretty hard to chase. there are two way beyond, get drunk (countless wine >> for triumph)or get fucked (lose like hell). Actually, like many people, i >> didn't anticipate the success of this project at first. But gradually, i >> found that there is chance we could make it if we sacrifice time to >> contribute. The chance might be tiny if you chase the girl while it is >> naught if you just bury the love in the bottom of your heart. Even if the >> projcet fail at last, i want a decent end after my toiling days and hours. >> Where there is a will, there is a way. To my understanding, the future >> of >> podling of Bluesky lies on the will of us -- participators of this >> project. >> If we were all determined, i don't believe we could not success. I throw >> the >> same question to my companions, since we've started it, how could end it? >> sucessfully, decently or shamely. >> >> >> > ^_^ > > > My concern is not with the team... my concern is with the technology, or to > be precise, my concern is with the licensing of the technology. The ASF > places restrictions on what kind of software licenses we can use. Can we > find suitable alternatives to the GPL components Bluesky relies on? I am > waiting on the team to tell me. If the answer is no, then we have to face > up to reality... there is no shame in admitting defeat if there are forces > beyond our control guiding our choices. We can move the project to a > different venue (sourceforge maybe?) and distribute Bluesky as GPL code? I > don't want to admit defeat just yet... I hope the team can solve the > problem... but if solving the problem means reinventing ffmpeg, with a > different license, then we really cannot succeed, can we? What other > alternatives do we have? > i remember that BSD license does not conflict with ASL. And Theora and Vorbis are both BSD-like . Though it needs discussion in legal-disuss to decide whether it is available under ASL . Personally, i assure about that. So if we could prove that FFmpeg could be replaced by Theora and Vorbis, this problem surely can be solved. I will start the comparion after i finish coding a moldue, which probably would be completed tonight. The only thing i am concerned is that i can't forecast the time this comparison takes....
> > Bill > -- Bowen Ma a.k.a Samul Kevin @ Bluesky Dev Team XJTU
