On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> Let me start with a request.  If we are going to have a productive
> discussion, it would be best if it were done using respectful terms. If,
> however, as described below it is the intent of TDF [...]

we can start by working under the predicat that, unless specified otherwise,
any comments are the author's own and not representing anybody else?


> OpenOffice.org is not uniformly licensed. [..]
>
> If is licensed to many under one license, and LibreOffice has continued with
> that license.  It is licensed to others under a different license.

I thought we were talking about FLOSS here... not about what
proprietary forks may or may not have done.

> I believe that the key phrase in that comment is "objections to contributing
> code to be used in proprietary apps".  A fundamental goal of the Apache
> license is to satisfy the needs of those that wish to include the code in
> Free and proprietary software alike.

Yes, I am aware of that 'feature'. I just happen to consider it a bug.

> I believe that if we want to attract everyone alike to contributing to a
> common code base -- wherever it resides -- then we need to establish this as
> a common goal.

How exactly encouraging proprietary fork will attract contribution ?
you are relying on the ethic and moral sens of corporation ?
If only we had real life examples to give us clues on how realistic
that is... humm...

>
> If we do this, clearly there is much work that would need to be done. It
> will involve getting the consent of those that participate in this
> foundation and LibreOffice to relicense their work.  It won't be easy, but I
> will be a part of making it happen.

The very reason I decided to show-up was because 1/ the license was
copy-left and 2/ TDF dropped the copyright assignment.
(of course I found many other reasons to stay... but that's another topic :-) )
So I'd say... yes it won't be easy indeed, but I guess it won't be
harder than to convince AF not to cater to proprietary sink-hole...

But there is another solution, one that has happened in the past:
convince the company with a proprietary fork that if they are truly
interested in community
support and contributions, they should join that community under terms
that protect both our interest, not just its interests.

Norbert

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