Hi Andi, *, I think this might be a good occasion to ask our CoC volunteers for help (in Cc) - some sort of moderation is perhaps possible?
My offer to get on the phone still stands; but it seems (from the below) I'm also party to the problems, so perhaps best if taken to a more neutral ground (CoC committee). Best, Thorsten Andreas Mantke wrote: > Hello all, > > > Am 05.11.18 um 23:50 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: > > Hi Andi, > > > > first off, I'm very sorry these things seem to have taken a turn for > > the worse. > > > > that's most often the outcome of a 'special' way of communication. > > > I'm trying to move this part of the discussion now off the design > > list, and onto board-discuss, as it seems to primarily deal with > > interaction style, within & from the board. So Fup2 board-discuss > > please. > > > > As I'm not member of the board since Februar this year anymore, I'm not > aware of the communication within the board. > > > Beyond some details below, where I'd love to get to is getting over > > personal gripes eventually (on all sides - happy to call you any time, > > to hear what you'd expect here!); perhaps with a way to keep you > > engaged with the community you've helped building, but at least with a > > way for the project to keep the Plone sites running properly for the > > while. > > > > I expect only the way of communication and behavior that I already > described in my previous email. > > > Andreas Mantke wrote: > >> There were no real internal discussions with the board about issues. > >> > > Not to put too fine a point on it - but we discussed the issues around > > the queue of pending submissions e.g. in January & February this year, > > on the infra/hostmaster list. > > > > Also in 2016, a discussion not too different from the one here took > > place inside the board, when looking for options to go beyond the > > first version of the template & extension site. > > > >> But afterwards I was kicked out by this thread. I'm not used to be > >> pilloried for my work during my spare time. And maybe others too. > >> > > Please don't take this as pillorying you. If it came across like that > > - apologies. In fact, without the original Plone sites, LibreOffice > > wouldn't have had a templates & extension repo for a long time, and no > > one disputes the relevance of that. > > > > It's not important how you think I should not feel, but it's only > important how I feel because of the way of communication from member(s) > of the board. > > The member communicated in public about the work I had done for about > seven years, without take in account to discuss the situation or > requests with me first (and get some additional information). > This make it explicit for me, that I shouldn't be part of the discussion > and it descredits my previous work publicly (thus pilloring). > > I see this as a line of communication infringements. Because of a > mistake that I did with the administration of the Content Management > System in 2012 I was pointed regularly onto this mistake for about three > or four years. I felt impeached to communicate destructively some month > ago, although I spent a lot of my spare time over the years to attend > events on behalf of TDF/LibreOffice to spread the word about the project and > its pros. > > After some rethinking I had the impression it helped, if I narrowed my > engagement to > the administration of the extensions and templates website. But then I > got this thread on the design list. > > Thus I was disenchanted, that my work inside the project had a real > value especially for the board. > > There were no real excuse for this communication style later. The > response to my email three weeks after the thread included second part > (the 'but message'), which were the real message (no real apologize, > but another threat). > > Regards, > Andreas > > -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
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