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Dear All.

1st Point, Gadri very good move starting this list well done.

I work for a carrier and have seen the effects of DDOS attacks on commercial customers. Mitigation devices are nearly always in the 100k sterling and many of my customers have actually paid up to 30k when the blackmail threat and first DDOS is seen. This is without me talking about bandwidth costs and equipment required to handle the PPS throughput.

Now my main point, basically when a client gets hacked or "joined" to a botnet this can be for a number of reasons, mainly though this boils down to lack of patching and lack of av updates.

We all interconnect networks and peering is essential to allow traffic through, the problem is there is no enforcement of tracebacks through networks, add to this the complexity of every security department within an ISP and herein lies the issue.

We are never going to stop these attacks until real penalties are leveraged against ISP's who do not react to the traceback issues. Additionally legislation required to remotely shut down servers is sketchy to the say the least.

With most source IP's being spoofed the use of syn proxy's is a good step although albeit a temporary one.

What i propose is that pressure is levied on all tier 1 ISPs backed up by strong legislation, this way technologies such as network based AV filtering and layer 7 heuristics will need to be deployed. This will then lead to a knock on effect to other downstream providers who will have to take measures to mitigate and educate end users and commercial organisations.

Blocking ports will never work. What we need to do is deep packet inspection and enforce this into ISPS.

When an organisation makes on average £25 per mb per month for bandwidth which is always contended dont we think its time to stop the rot and provide real solutions to this problem.

Another useful step would be to impose penaltys on software vendors who produce weak code and only operate closed source. This would then get the coders to tighten up their act.

Rant over and best wishes Gavri,

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