Just an FYI as a continuation of this thread. One thing I have been seeing more and more is that websites will have a link for a mobile version of the page. They have created these for people that use their cell phones to access websites. In some cases, this has helped with how you are able to navigate a page when using the BN.
However, I too have had problems entering my user name and password when using the BN. I don't surf often with the BN but hope when I have a chance that becoming more proficient will make this easier. Cindy > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Sarah Cranston > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:42 AM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer > > > When I first started playing around with KeyWeb, I figured it > would be a snap, after all, I'd been surfing the web for > years with a PC. How hard could it be? I struggled for a > few days before realizing that what I needed were several > reads through the chapter on Keyweb in the manual. This > helped a great deal, there is a very comprehensive list of > commands, plus a good description of the symbols used to > denote links, edit boxes, check boxes, radio buttons, and the > like. I had to read through that chapter three or four times > before it all stuck, but I eventually got very comfortable > using KeyWeb. I don't automatically tell people to run to the > manual, I do realize that doesn't work for some people, but > that might be what you need in this case. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Terri Pannett > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:58 PM > To: BrailleNote List > Subject: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer > > > Dear List, > > I have been using Keyweb for the past several days because I > was not home > and I didn't have access to my PC. Most of the time, I surf > the web using > my PC with Internet Explorer and WindowEyes for my screen > reader. I'm not > the best web-surfer and I haven't had as much experience with > Keyweb as some > of you but I have noticed some differences. > > 1. The web pages load faster using Keyweb, but they look > totally alien to > me. For one thing, the braille displays links, edit boxes, > frames and > tables buttons and dialog boxes appear differently. I > suppose this must be > because HumanWare decided to use different symbols and > abbreviations than GW > Micro does. I suppose people who use the shark have learned > yet another set > of braille symbols and abbreviations. Although I think > Keysoft is usually > intuitive, I find Keyweb not to be so intuitive with its symbols and > abbreviations. It's too bad there aren't a standard set of > symbols and > abbreviations for all braille displays. > > 2. I don't know if it's just me, but I have noticed web > pages on the PC > have more details than web pages on the BN. For example, > let's take the > www.amazon site. I don't remember seeing a special link for > screen readers > when I looked at it using the BN, but the link jumped out at > me when I used > the PC. I also found it harder to search for an item using > the BN than > using the PC. > > 3. The layout of the web pages seems different. On the BN, > the text goes > across the line with lots of space between columns. I find > this extra space > to be annoying. But on the PC, the columns are laid out > vertically and the > lines are shorter. The BN occasionally gives details about > the web page, > but WindowEyes always gives details like: "11 tables, x amout > of rows, x > columns x frames and x headings and x subheadings." It also > tells me when > I'm starting to look at a new table, but the BN doesn't. > Since I can't tell > where one table ends and the next begins, I can't jump from > one table to the > next. > > 4. If a site, like Google, has an edit box, WindowEyes will > automatically > jump to the edit box but the BN always places me at the top > of the page and > I have to wade through the links to find the edit box. Also, > when I go back > and forth between web pages, WindowEyes remembers where I > left off but the > BN doesn't. > > 5. This difference has been mentioned before, but I can't > understand why it > exists. I'm referring to the fact that Windows on my PC will > remember my > username and password when I go to certain web sites but the > BN won't. > Also, I'm more certain to have trouble typing in my username > and password > and having the site recognize it when I use the BN. This is > annoying, > especially when I want to use a "quickcheckout" or "1-click > purchase" at an > online store. In fact, I couldn't even checkout with one > store--I had to > phone in my order. But previously, I had been able to set up > an account and > checkout using my PC. If I had had a PC at my location, I > could have placed > the order online. > > 6. The BN shows everything in one grade of braille. This is > fine except > (1) when I'm looking at a URL or email address and (2) when I > write in an > edit box. I can't even route the cursor to the computereze > and see the URL > or email address in computer braille like I can when I'm > using Keymail. > WindowEyes, on the other hand, will always show anything > under the cursor to > be in computer braille. Is there a way to route the BN's > cursor to an item > without accessing a link? > > Can someone explain why Keyweb and the BN behaves differently > from the PC > and WindowEyes? Does it have to do with the platform, > (Windows CE versus > Windows XP) and the methods of interpreting the web sites? > > Thanks for any insight. > > Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. 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