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>    1. Re: Dot brf (Nicole B. Torcolini)
>    2. a vanishing KeyWord file situation partly solved! (Richard Ehrler)
>    3. Re: learning about the various resets on the Apex (Peggy Kern)
>    4. A vanishing keyword file problem partly solved (Campbell Dawson)
>    5. survey responses (Dreicer, Zachary, Survey)
>    6. re: A vanishing keyword file problem partly solved (Joseph Lee)
>    7. re: A vanishing keyword file problem partly solved
>       (Richard Ehrler)
>    8. re: A vanishing keyword file problem partly solved
>       (Richard Ehrler)
>    9. I received a response from Humanware support    concerning Apex
>       not showing correct document file names (Richard Ehrler)
>   10. very disturbing problem with keysoft 901-753
>       (dreicer, zachary, survey)
>   11. a followup post (dreicer, zachary, survey)
>   12. access sounds? (dreicer, zachary, survey)
>   13. Audio recorder on apex (Campbell Dawson)
>   14. re: Audio recorder on apex (Joseph Lee)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:04:44 -0700
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Dot brf
> To: <[email protected]>, "Penny Golden"
>       <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> It's whether you are writing in grade 2, 1, or Computer Braille.  Got to run 
> at the moment, but, if no one else adds more, I'll write more later.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Penny Golden" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:30 PM
> Subject: [Braillenote] Dot brf
> 
> 
> >         Hi.  How come it is that sometimes when I try to change the 
> > extension on a file, the BN lets me; well, it was the BN and is now the 
> > Apex.  But sometimes it just says: italic on brf italic off.
> > That is not the same dot BRF that I am used to.  What causes the 
> > difference?  the kind of file it is?
> > I never use keyword because I remember once someone lost all her key word 
> > files.  I always use txt or BRF. that's all.  How can I get apex always to 
> > accept the fact that I want to change the extension of some of my books 
> > and files imported from, maybe, the PC or the millennium?
> > Thanks.
> > Pen
> > At 05:40 PM 4/15/2010, you wrote:
> >>Hi all, well one of these is a suggestion, how hard would it be to make 
> >>the
> >>radio be recorded in stereo? Also, does anyone have, or know where I could
> >>download the apex presentation from acb radio?
> >>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:46:07 -0600
> From: Richard Ehrler <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] a vanishing KeyWord file situation partly
>       solved!
> To: [email protected],
> Message-ID: <20100416034550.31742.24545.levelstar.m...@icon>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> 
> 
> I have been porting files from my voice note over to the Apex and discovered 
> a 
> weird anomaly. I copied a folder from the voice note flash drive to a usb 
> memory stick that contained a number of KeyWord 2.0 document files. I then 
> plugged that memory stick into the Apex and copied the whole folder onto the 
> Apex flash drive. When I opened that folder on the Apex, there were a number 
> of 
> files there but all of my KeyWord 2.0 documents were missing. This made no 
> sense because I had copied the whole folder. I looked on the memory stick at 
> the same folder on the Apex and these same files were nowhere to be found. I 
> removed the memory stick and put it back on the voice note and, wonder of 
> wonders, all of those vanishing KeyWord 2.0 documents magically reappeared. 
> Just to be sure, I deleted the folder in question from the memory stick and 
> moved it back to the Apex. I then used file manager and directory mode to 
> browse to the weird folder, where I pressed backspace with y to copy the 
> entire 
> folder back onto the memory stick. I then put the memory stick back in my 
> voice 
> note and all the missing KeyWord 2.0 documents appeared again.
> Does anyone have any idea why the Apex refuses to see these document files? 
> For 
> any of you who ported your KeyWord 2.0 docs over to your Apex, there is hope. 
> If you did not delete the folder in question off your Apex in frustration, 
> those files are probably still there hiding. Just copy the whole folder to 
> some 
> other memory device, take them to an mPower or classic model note taker and 
> convert them to some other document format and bring them back to your Apex 
> that way. I see that Apex does see KeyWord text files, just not KeyWord 2.0 
> doc 
> files.
> Is this a bug or a feature? Is Humanware dropping support for KeyWord 2.0 doc 
> files or did they just forget to port the code for seeing them over to the 
> Apex? I guess the next test is to try to create a KeyWord 2.0 doc file on the 
> Apex and see if it vanishes.
> Richard Ehrler
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:57:51 -0700
> From: "Peggy Kern" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] learning about the various resets on the
>       Apex
> To: "BrailleNote" <[email protected]>
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> Options user manual, appendices, troubleshooting.
> 
> Peggy
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sherri" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:05 AM
> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] learning about the various resets on the Apex
> 
> > Where can I go to learn about the various resets--the hard reset versus 
> > the soft and the 456 versus the 123? I have performed a 456 reset several 
> > times on my Apex and all it seems to do is cause me to have to reset the 
> > speech settings, as well as the clock. Does the 456 remove any 
> > applications? Thanks so much for your information.
> > Sherri
> > Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and Newsline® Coordinator
> > E-mail:  [email protected]
> > http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org
> > http://www.nfbflorida.org
> >
> > "Don't give up something you want forever for something you want only for 
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:04:56 +1200
> From: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] A vanishing keyword file problem partly solved
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID:
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> Hello Richard and list,
> This problem about the files missing on the apex and shoing on the
> voice note I can probably help you with.
> Try pressing space with x at the list of files in <folder name> prompt.
> 
> I'm not quite sure what the q t keystroke is.
> If you have a q t, enter the list of files and press help for help and
> listen to the prompt that says to vew other types of file press...Keep
> pressing.
> 
> When you get to list of all, including hidden, files in <folder name>
> keep spacing down until you find the files you want and you can
> probably view them like that.
> You might ask yourself why do they not show on the apex?
> This might just be a bug, or intended, I'm not sure.
> If you still can't look at them then convert them to a different
> format like brl / brf / txt.
> Chears,
> Cam.
> 
> Ps, Who was this sent from?
> The question was not on the list.
> Oh well *grin*
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:24:11 -0600
> From: "Dreicer, Zachary, Survey" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] survey responses
> To: Electronicsfortheblind <[email protected]>,
>       [email protected], [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> hi lists
> Two weeks ago I sent a survey for anyone who was blind and 
> interested in taking it re public transit.  I only have gotten 4 
> responses.  Do you need it sent again or have you just not had 
> time to complete it?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:32:26 -0700
> From: Joseph Lee <[email protected]>
> Subject: re: [Braillenote] A vanishing keyword file problem partly
>       solved
> To: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]>,
>       [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Richard and Cam,
> I found a different result.  I've briefly tested Richard's 
> suggestion (at least partially) by creating one of those KeySoft 
> 2 files on my Apex.  When you go through the list of files, you 
> can view it without having to reveal hidden files.  The file 
> would be named key1.brl or key1.txt depending on the format.  
> Even though if you rename the file to something you can identify 
> with, it'll still show up as key1 no matter what.  Also, when I 
> opened this file, it gave bunch of text code (ASCII symbols) and 
> some odd formatting things.
> However, when you create a file, KeySoft 2 shows up as one of the 
> file type choices under Apex...
> Cheers,
> Joseph
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date sent: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:04:56 +1200
> Subject: [Braillenote] A vanishing keyword file problem partly 
> solved
> 
> Hello Richard and list,
> This problem about the files missing on the apex and shoing on 
> the
> voice note I can probably help you with.
> Try pressing space with x at the list of files in <folder name> 
> prompt.
> 
> I'm not quite sure what the q t keystroke is.
> If you have a q t, enter the list of files and press help for 
> help and
> listen to the prompt that says to vew other types of file 
> press...Keep
> pressing.
> 
> When you get to list of all, including hidden, files in <folder 
> name
> keep spacing down until you find the files you want and you can
> probably view them like that.
> You might ask yourself why do they not show on the apex?
> This might just be a bug, or intended, I'm not sure.
> If you still can't look at them then convert them to a different
> format like brl / brf / txt.
> Chears,
> Cam.
> 
> Ps, Who was this sent from?
> The question was not on the list.
> Oh well *grin*
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:45:12 -0600
> From: Richard Ehrler <[email protected]>
> Subject: re: [Braillenote] A vanishing keyword file problem partly
>       solved
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> 
> Well, I just stumbled across something concerning those vanishing 
> KeyWord 2.0 text documents I reported last night. I know how to 
> use my note taker and had already used all the methods you 
> mention below to search for my missing files but I discovered the 
> problem and am still confused at what is going on here. My 
> documents were all there but the Apex displayed their file names 
> as key1, key2, key3, etc. but I was looking for the original file 
> names and did not bother opening any of the files with the 
> changed names. If anyone else on this list hasKeyWord 2.0 
> documents that have gone missing, look for any files starting 
> with the word "key" followed by a number instead.
> Weird!
> By the way, concerning your post script, I remember back around 
> January or February some person almost frantic when she ported 
> all her mPower files over to a new Apex and discovering all her 
> college work documents missing. I am sort of wondering if they 
> were not there all along but renamed as key1, key2, etc.
> Richard Ehrler
> 
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Date sent: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:04:56 +1200
> >Subject: [Braillenote] A vanishing keyword file problem partly 
> solved
> 
> >Hello Richard and list,
> >This problem about the files missing on the apex and shoing on 
> the
> >voice note I can probably help you with.
> >Try pressing space with x at the list of files in <folder name> 
> prompt.
> 
> >I'm not quite sure what the q t keystroke is.
> >If you have a q t, enter the list of files and press help for 
> help and
> >listen to the prompt that says to vew other types of file 
> press...Keep
> >pressing.
> 
> >When you get to list of all, including hidden, files in <folder 
> name
> >keep spacing down until you find the files you want and you can
> >probably view them like that.
> >You might ask yourself why do they not show on the apex?
> >This might just be a bug, or intended, I'm not sure.
> >If you still can't look at them then convert them to a different
> >format like brl / brf / txt.
> >Chears,
> >Cam.
> 
> >Ps, Who was this sent from?
> >The question was not on the list.
> >Oh well *grin*
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:51:44 -0600
> From: Richard Ehrler <[email protected]>
> Subject: re: [Braillenote] A vanishing keyword file problem partly
>       solved
> To: Joseph Lee <[email protected]>,
>       [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> 
> Hello Joseph,
> We appear to have both found the problem at the same time. As I 
> reported in my last message, I was looking for the original file 
> name but the Apex renames all these files in the directory as 
> key1, etc. I have contacted Humanware support directly with my 
> findings and will report back if they can explain why the Apex 
> forces these files to show up with different names.
> Richard Ehrler
> 
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: Joseph Lee <[email protected]
> >To: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]>, 
> [email protected]
> >Date sent: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:32:26 -0700
> >Subject: re: [Braillenote] A vanishing keyword file problem 
> partly solved
> 
> >Hi Richard and Cam,
> >I found a different result.  I've briefly tested Richard's
> >suggestion (at least partially) by creating one of those KeySoft
> >2 files on my Apex.  When you go through the list of files, you
> >can view it without having to reveal hidden files.  The file
> >would be named key1.brl or key1.txt depending on the format.
> >Even though if you rename the file to something you can identify
> >with, it'll still show up as key1 no matter what.  Also, when I
> >opened this file, it gave bunch of text code (ASCII symbols) and
> >some odd formatting things.
> >However, when you create a file, KeySoft 2 shows up as one of the
> >file type choices under Apex...
> >Cheers,
> >Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:07:18 -0600
> From: Richard Ehrler <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] I received a response from Humanware support
>       concerning Apex not showing correct document file names
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <20100416210700.353.24313.levelstar.m...@icon>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> I just received a message from Humanware support indicating they were able to 
> duplicate the changed KeyWord file name issue on the Apex, so hopefully they 
> will be able to get this one fixed quickly. Otherwise, finding a particular 
> KeyWord 2.0 document in a folder of a hundred or more could be quite painful 
> and time consuming.
> Below is the important part of their response:
> 
> We have duplicated the issue.  We created a keysoft Version 2 Braille
> file on the mPower and when we brought it over to the Apex, the name of
> the file did change to key1.brl.  I am reporting this to the appropriate
> people at Humanware.  Thank you for letting us know about it.  For now,
> look for files to begin with "key" and a number.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:25:08 -0600
> From: "dreicer, zachary, survey" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] very disturbing problem with keysoft 901-753
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Braillenote <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi, actually 2 problems.
> (1) in sending a email to my teacher, I could not mark multiple 
> msword 2003 files.
> (2) browsing the internet to the following website took over 1 
> minute (the first 2 times) + a reset:
> 198.59.98.10/public/
> which is my school's grade book.
> 
> thank you humanware for making the apex! I'm sure these will be 
> minor fixes...
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:38:16 -0600
> From: "dreicer, zachary, survey" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] a followup post
> To: Braillenote <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> About the
> 198.59.98.10/public
> this work after doing a (hard reset on the mpower not sure what 
> on the apex) but 456.  Still this is bad news though.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:50:11 -0600
> From: "dreicer, zachary, survey" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] access sounds?
> To: Braillenote <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> How make a playlist of all the sounds on the apex?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:16:44 +1200
> From: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Braillenote] Audio recorder on apex
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-ID:
>       <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hey Joseph,
> Whats the recorder like on the apex?
> Is there any changes?
> I don't have my apex yet.
> Cam.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:24:29 -0700
> From: Joseph Lee <[email protected]>
> Subject: re: [Braillenote] Audio recorder on apex
> To: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi,
> It's way better than the mPower (located just to the left of the 
> braille display).
> Speaking of this, could you mind introduce yourself...
> Cheers,
> Joseph
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Campbell Dawson <[email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date sent: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:16:44 +1200
> Subject: [Braillenote] Audio recorder on apex
> 
> Hey Joseph,
> Whats the recorder like on the apex?
> Is there any changes?
> I don't have my apex yet.
> Cam.
> 
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