Hi Bob,

First, I don't think it's a good idea to store anything in the Keysoft Systems 
Disk because you would lose them after a reset (or a RESET with some keys held 
down).  If I understand you correctly, you do not use a compact flash card or 
microdrive or zip drive to backup the contents of the Flash Disk? I suggest 
that you get any of these storage media, but preferably the cf card because 
it's very small and doesn't require power.  Or, if you have a PC and have 
successfully established an Active Sync connection, then just keep your backup 
files in the hard drive of your computer.

Another reason why backing up to the Keysoft Systems Disk is not advisable, is 
that there are only 8 megs of space in that disk, whereas the Flash Disk has 
either 16 or 48 MB.  You're probably not yet using more than 8 MB, but when you 
have, then they will no longer fit in the Keysoft Systems Disk.

Yet another reason why you shouldn't fill up the Keysoft Systems Disk with 
backups is that little space in there affects certain operations (particularly 
the opening and saving of files in Keyword, the opening of attachments in 
Keymail, and the downloading of web pages in Keyweb, that's why deleting 
temporary internet files regularly is recommended because they fill up the 
Keysoft Systems Disk where they are stored).

As for your first question, I honestly see no need to back up the contents of 
the Keysoft Systems Disk, given that you do not put anything there, and if you 
used Active Sync for file synchronization between PC and BN, you move the 
contents of the Synchronize folder created in the Keysoft Systems Disk to the 
Flash Disk or some storage device which is a safer practice.  All of the files 
in the Keysoft Systems Disk are burnt into ROM or can be obtained by running 
some program (.exe file) found in the Windows folder of that disk which cannot 
be erased.
I'm thinking, you might want to save your cookies, which is in the Cookies 
folder, a sub-directory of the Profiles folder, which in turn is a 
sub-directory of the Windows folder of the Keysoft Systems Disk.  You can do 
that by selecting that Cookies sub-directory when using the Backup File 
utility, but as for the rest of the Keysoft Systems Disk, there's no need to 
make backups.

As for your second question, one way to avoid encountering the problem with 
protected files in backup folders is to keep the files in the Flash Disk 
unprotected.  Thus, when they are copied during the backup operation, the 
backups are also unprotected.  Of course, if you have a tendency to 
absent-mindedly type Y for yes in response to the confirmation about deleting a 
file, then this is not advisable for you.  Otherwise, like in my case, it's OK 
to keep all your files unprotected.  Besides, if the BN decides to throw a fit 
or crash, having files protected won't spare them, <grin>.

Now, one thing I should point out is that it's not always necessary to erase 
all the files in a folder before you can erase the folder.  This is especially 
true starting with version 4.0.  At the folder prompt, you can press SPACE to 
locate the folder you wish to delete and press BACKSPACE with C (CTRL with I) 
to delete it, and you will be asked if you wish to delete the folder and all 
its sub-folders and contents.  Type Y for yes if this is really what you want 
to do.

Alternatively, you can erase a folder and all its sub-folders and contents 
using the Erase Folder option under the Folder Manager (accessed by pressing F 
twice from the Main Menu, then E).  If you just wish to delete a sub-folder, 
then when asked for the folder to be deleted, press SPACE with T (CTRL with T) 
first, before hitting SPACE to navigate to the parent folder, where you tap the 
ENTER key to select, then SPACE again to locate the sub-folder and if that's 
what you wish to delete, then press ENTER twice.  You will again receive a 
confirmation prompt.

If you get a message that the folder cannot be deleted because it is not empty, 
this means you have to go into the folder and delete all its contents first.  
This usually happens if the folder contains a .cdb file, or any protected file.
Remember that you don't have to erase the files in a folder one by one.  You 
can use wildcard characters when you get to the prompt asking for the name of 
the file to be erased.  At that prompt, press SPACE with X (READ with X) twice 
for All Files as the entry type, and then press SPACE with dots 3-5 or just 
dots 1-6 (the asterisk, SHIFT with 8), and hit ENTER.  You will be informed 
about the number of files that are in the folder, and asked if you wish to 
verify deletion for each.  If you type Y for yes, you will be prompted 
confirmation of deletion for every file.  If you type N, the BN will go ahead 
with erasing and would just let you know how many were erased when it's done.

Hope this covers everything,
Roselle
PS: I'm sorry I have been delinquent in replying to your off-list messages, but 
I did receive them all.  Please just be patient with me, <smile>.

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>Sent by: bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Hi Roselle, Laura and others.
>Roselle, as usual, your explanation is a good one.
>  One thing that worried me about backing up my keysoft system disk is that I 
> have a folder on that one called "storage card".  This is the folder I am 
> backing my BN to.  I was afraid that the system would set up a redundant 
> loop, whereas it tried to backup the folder I was backing up to, which would 
> change, which would cause the system to try to back up this folder . . .  on 
> and on until I ran out of storage.  Fortunately that didn't happen.

>My question is: is there any time when you would want to backup your keysoft 
>system disk with the backup utility?

>Also, is there a good way to delete a backup folder?  I always get warnings 
>about protected files, and hidden files which prevent the system from deleting 
>a folder.  Then I have to go in to the file structure itself, find the 
>protected or hidden files, get rid of them and come back out and try to delete 
>the folder again.  Needless to say, this is a very very time consuming process.
>Is there a quicker way of deleting a backup folder?

>Thanks,
>Bob



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