Hi Jim,
Thanks for the clarification. One more thing though. Are you saying you
use it in KeyWeb? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, so let me go through an
example of what I mean. When I search through the online catalog, the
results page that pops up is the one whose title starts with "Voyager" and
then continues to include your search strings and a bunch of numbers and
stuff that I don't really pay attention to. Anyway, on that page are the
search results. Are you saying that you put the cursor on the actual
link, execute the Overwrite command, and then inputting the correct number
takes you to the link for the next volume on the actual Web page? Or do
you mean that once you've downloaded Volume 1, you do ENTER with O, and
then do the Overwrite command on the actual URL address? When you're on a
Web page, and you hit a letter or number in KeyWeb while you're not in a
text input field, this takes you to the next link that starts with that
letter. The links for the volumes of books start with an h for http, so
if you hit the number "2" for Volume 2, you wouldn't be taken anywhere,
and you'd just receive an Error Alert Tone because there wasn't a link
that started with the number 2. Also, you can't exactly edit the Web page
because someone else created it, and you're not opening it in a place like
KeyWord where editing is possible. I suppose you could save the page as
an HTML file, then open that HTML file, and somehow, amid all the
"less-than", "greater-than", "font style", "color style", and all the
other junk that appears in those files when you don't open them in a Web
browser, you could edit the link. However, it still wouldn't work because
the file would go back to its default, as it was saved in the way that
someone else created it, and as you didn't design the site, the only
person that could actually edit it was the designer who was working at the
"other end", if you know what I mean. Also, the Web page would have other
components that you hadn't saved in the HTML file. Even if you attempt to
do the Overwrite command while your cursor is on an actual link of a Web
page, you'd just get the Error tone because you can't edit links; what I
mean by a link is that text between the dots 2-4-6 and dots 1-3-5 symbols
that signify a link on the Braille display in KeyWeb when you're actually
on a Web page. That's why I'm thinking you do ENTER with O and then edit
that address. You mentioned that it beats typing in the whole link, which
further convinces me that this is what you might be doing, and if it is, I
totally agree with you; I would hate to have to type in the whole
link. Also, it's a faster way than to Go Back with ENTER with B, and then
select the appropriate link from the web page with the "Voyager"
title. It makes sense that it's available in KeyWord and KeyBook because
you can edit documents and prompts. Also, I think the Overwrite command
is equivalent to the BACKSPACE with dots 3-6 command, but please correct
me if I'm wrong. I never quite got the hang of the Blazie products, so
I'm sure that by nMaria
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: James Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Braillenote List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:58:03 -0800
>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] frustrated downloading book fro webbraille
>Hello Maria and list,
>Sorry, I goofed! The overwrite command is the O W sign, dots 2, 4, 6 on a
>BT Keyboard. This was added to the BN some upgrades back. It is the same
>command the Blazie products use to use when overwriting a given letter. In
>the BN, that command deletes the wrong letter, leaves the cursor where the
>letter was deleted and one types in the new letter or character. This
>command works when one is in keyword as well as in a book when on the NLS
>Web Site. When I am on a link, especially when a volume number is
>indicated in the link, I place my cursor on the volume number, execute the
>overwrite command and write in the new volume number. This takes me to the
>new link. It beats typing in the entire link again! It works nicely
for me!
>Jim Aldrich
>At 11:01 AM 03/20/2004 , you wrote:
>>What do you mean, an Overwrite command. SPACE with O is the Options Menu,
>>and you can't edit links anyway. The only thing you can edit is anything
>>you've inputted into a Text Input field because you can't edit stuff on a
>>website that's been created by someone else. The stuff that someone's put
>>on a website's just there, and you can't do anything about it. When
>>you've downloaded Volume 1, you advance the display until you get to the
>>Volume 2 link, and then you hit a touch cursor button above one of the
>>cells on which the link is displayed, and hitting it should activate the
>>link. Alternatively, you press SPACE until you get to the link, then
>>press ENTER. When you get the web page on your Display after your book's
>>done downloading, which is after the "Please Wait" message has disappeared
>>due to completion of download, you save the file, whether it appears on
>>the Display or not, and it will be there for you to access in KeyBook or
>>KeyWord. Once you've downloaded Volume 1, you have to hit ENTER with B to
>>Go Back to the page that's got the information about the book on it (not
>>the actual book's contents), and then you'll see the links for the other
>>volumes. If you log on to the actual Web-Braille site, you'll first be
>>prompted for your User Name and PassWord, which you put in, like you did
>>Lisa. If, however, you're searching from the NLS site, you'll be asked
>>for the UserName and PassWord info when you activate the first link of a
>>book you want to download. Note that the Online Catalog you search with
>>both the NLS and actual Web-Braille site are the same thing. The NLS site
>>is www.loc.gov/nlsand the Web-Braille site is www.loc.gov/nls/braille
>>Another point; when saving the book, you're offered the file
>>name. However, you can hit BACKSPACE to switch drives or folders. At the
>>"Folder Name" prompt, you can do SPACE with T to get into Directory Mode,
>>if you want to save it in a sub-directory of the folder. You select
>>directories in the same way as folders, but you move one layer at a time
>>and hit ENTER after selecting each layer. If you want to move up
>>directory layers, hit SPACE with dots 2-3. If you want to type in a
>>directory, do a Slash, dots 3-4, before each layer, including the very
>>first one. The SPACE with T goes back and forth between Folder and
>>Directory Mode every time you press it. I've never gotten the Error
>>Allert Tone when downloading, but if you get one immediately after the
>>"Please Wait" message comes up, don't worry about it because, if you see
>>the "Percent Complete" after "Please Wait" or hear Progress Tones, it'll
>>download. However, if your unit does ever lock up, a Reset with no keys
>>held down should fix it. Finally, the "Free Database Space" option
>>applies to KeyList and KeyMail, not KeyWeb; if it were available in
>>KeyWeb, there would be this option somewhere in the program, which there
>>isn't. BTW, I think there is an Overwrite command on Freedom Scientific
>>notetakers, which I never know how to work, so I'm wondering if you maybe
>>mixed it up with the BrailleNote. Sorry folks, but IMaria
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: James Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>To: Braillenote List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:33:11 -0800
>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] frustrated downloading book fro webbraille
>>>Hi Lisa,
>>>Go onto the NLS Web Site Again. Select your book as you did before. Use
>>>your cursor keys and you should see the name of the book, Author
etc. When
>>>you are on line with that site, the response time from the site may be
slow
>>>so be patient. Once you see anything about the book on your display, do
>>>the command to save a file. It is spacebar with S. When asked for the
>>>filename, give it your preferred name with a .brf extention. Your BN
>>>should save the file. If the book you wish to read has more than one
>>>volume, move your cursor so that the number one of volume 1 is under
>>>it. Do the overwrite command which is spacebar O on a bt. Write two in
>>>its place and hit enter. The next volume should be on your display. Save
>>>that volume to a file. Keep doing this till you have all the volumes of
>>>the book you wish to read in your unit. If you are getting the low beep
>>>sound at any point, reset your unit and try again! Do other things as
>>>freeing database space etc. This may help you with properly downloading
>>>books since your flash and system disks will have more space to work
>>>with. Downloading books is surprisingly easy with a BN.
>>>HTH
>>>Jim Aldrich
>>> At 03:37 AM 03/20/2004 , you wrote:
>>>>Hi Listers,
>>>>I actually attempted to download a book from WebBraille and I don't think
>>>>it got downloaded. If it did I have no clue where the BN put the
book. I
>>>>just downloaded one volume of a book and here's what happened. I put in
>>>>my user name and paassword and then I got this Web page that just
said the
>>>>link with the volume of the book on it. That's it else on the
>>>>page. Actually it was not a link just a Web address. I would press
enter
>>>>on it and get nothing. What am I doing wrong? If my password and user
>>>>name were rejected I would think the NLS Web site would have some
>>>>rejection message. Why is something so simple so hard? I just thought
>>>>using Web Braille would be easy but I guess I'm wrong us usual when it
>>>>comes to the BN. I looked in all of my folders and the book isn't
>>>>there. I didn't have any progress tones or please wait messages when
this
>>>>weird Web page with the book number and volume came up. I would
>>>>appreciate any advice anyone can give me. Thanks for your help. !
>>>> Sorry I just thought this would be easy.
>>>>Lisa
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