They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd be right there with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at $950, but would likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV version is quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is a common one) is the lack of steam power, but there are ways to improve that with different tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements are due for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial option, as it does involve replacing wiring that's not intended for higher current).
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: > Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The ask is > $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much more than > $600-700. > > She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of the line > for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and parts are harder to > find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? > > On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < > bre...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hey there Peter, > I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what discount > are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair parts, and as > Pitcher said how handy are you? > > I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no longer in > service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, very similar). At 8 > years, you are definitely into the phase where you will be replacing things > and I feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may or > may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my brewtus and didn’t > have any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As an > aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years > now and it is money well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s been > true for me (I live in a different area now than I did with the B2 that > didn’t scale, harder water here). > > If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need replacing > relatively soon: > —both boiler elements > —overheat sensors on top of both boilers > —pressurestat > —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger > —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing to the hot > water boiler which is prone to clogging shut > —seals for the E61 group > —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a simple > o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I have a bag of 100 > high temp/food grade and happy to send you one or more). > —E61 portafilter gasket and screen > > Less likely but possible: > —PID > —Giemme control box > —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler > —seals for the wands > > So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount you’re getting > on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on machines), I’d say go for > it! In any case, you will know the machine well, and since you’ll be doing > future maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. Meanwhile, > I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the leak, and then be pleasantly > surprised (and money ahead) for the time that you don’t need to do the > things I mentioned above. ;) > > As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that is not > normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine ever, unless a line > blew or something like that. You should be able to chase that down and fix > it, I hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of those > things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I guess! > > One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It works > great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to get things > aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I have always used yellow > teflon tape instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you wish) > and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just might save you a little > headache/heartburn. > > Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! > > b > > On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is coming from a > spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was build for the states. My > biggest concern I guess is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... > > On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher <ezekie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine is 15 years > old and it drips since I have owned it. I would have to see where it is > dripping from to give you a better idea. There are some things to consider > if you are going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I would > recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is the machine for > the States or Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The States > where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps over time has caused some > problems. > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <plr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur apparently it >> drips a small amount of discolored water as it warms up. Collects on >> counter under machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's owned >> it. 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