> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > > >
> > > > That's not the point.  They could in fact get to those proofs,
even
> > if
> > > > they do not do so, those proofs do exist.  With religion, those
> > proofs do
> > > > not exist.
> > > 
> > > Could you provide the proof that you are conscious to me?
> > 
> > No.  Which exactly my point.  If I can't prove my own existence I
also
> > can't prove god's existence.  Math exists whether god, the universe,
> > consciousness, I, etc. exist.  Math is the only thing that is
> > transcendent.  And those math proofs do exist.
> > 
> > This may all just be some big matrix I am in, but math works either
way.
> 
> Can you prove that you haven't missed an obvious error?

Are you trying to push godels theorem here?
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