> I'll bet a lot of people would have trouble getting zip ties 
> securely on a twitching, big, scary intruder in a highly 
> stressful situation.  Heck, I have trouble "threading" the 
> zip ties sometimes in a calm situation. If you MUST bind the 
> intruder, I'd think duct tape would be a bit more forgiving 
> in a stressful situation.
> "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       

Usually when a police department is aware that they may need zip cuffs,
they will pre-thread them in advance.  Watch "Cops" sometime, You will
see that they prepare the zip cuffs before they do a raid. Handcuffs are
really only better for immediate need situations.

Gary

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