--- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jan Coffey wrote:
>
> > I was angry becouse as more and more H1's were at work the
> > culture shifted to
> > be ~their~ culture. It became difficult to get anything done
> > at work in
> > English, and although I do speak a bit of Chinese, it's not
> > enough to get by
> > at work, and I know only a couple of words in Hindi.
>
> That's weird..using Hindi at work I mean. Your company did land up with
> a lot of impolite jerks.
It's common practice. I am not talking about just one company here.
> > I was angry when I saw frieds who labored to build start-ups
> > for half of what
> > they could have been makeing elsewhere and who showed the
> > highest degree of
> > loyalty and work ethic booted out of their jobs just before
> > their options
> > vested and replaced by H1's who would work for next to
> > nothing with hardly no
> > options.
> >
> > I was angry when 7 groups at Seible were asked to train the
> > Indeans who would
> > replace them, all the while being promised that they were not
> > going to loose
> > their jobs.
>
> Was the management Indian in both the above cases?
Partialy. The first "case" is a sinario that was repeated over and over. The
second was both Indean Citizens, H1, and others. Remmber though, when I say
US Citizen or Green Card Holder I am often talking about ethnicaly Indeans as
well.
Although some Indean Americans are able to avoid anti white, hispanic,
chinese, black etc. racesim, they still are subject to the classism when
applicable.
Indean Americans are being hurt by these situations just as much as
non-Indean Americans. As is Chinese Americans etc. etc. The sad thing is,
that some poeople don't understand this, and there is begining to be quite a
bit of raceism here. 3 Indeans have been killed this year in apparent acts of
racial violence.
> > And this makes me angry becouse just as the DotCom failed
> > becouse of over
> > zelous expectations coupled with crap for code, now the same
> > will happen to
> > the rest of the technology sector. Unless of course the
> > Indean and Chinese
> > education system steps up (and I would be glad for them to do
> > so).
>
> Or the US firms start behaving more responsibly towards their employees
> and caring more about skills than about the bottom line.....
So True.
> > You don't think that when that happens they will hier
> > Americans there, let
> > our culture take over their company, and shift all buisness
> > to being spoken
> > in English...do you?
>
> They might hire Americans though it is doubtful because, for a long time
> to come, an average Indian *would* be happier with a lower pay than an
> average American. I don't understand what you mean by your culture
> taking over...
When Indeans and Chinese get to the point where they have enough numbers in a
company, the culture begins to become the norm. The workplace starts to
function in that culture and under the rules and norms of that culture. For
instance: I was once reprimanded for stacking books on the ground to be able
to reach a mouse on a high shelf. It seams that stepping on a book is somehow
taboo in the Indean culture. I was told that I was being offensive and
recieved a reprimand which excluded me from promotion. FOR STEPPING ON A
BOOK! for ciseakes.
My friend (ethnicaly Indean) ran into many of the same type of issues. He
told his new Indean boss that the architecture had an issue that should be
corrected. His boss told him that he expected better behavior from him, and
that he should know better than to question his boss. Now this can happen
anywhere from a control freak boss, but this one was specific about the code
of conduct being and "Indean" one and that he intended to run his department
to those standards and that culture.
American and Indean, and Chinses cultures are very differnt. I think that an
American in Indea whould be expected to adopt the local customs. But when
Indeans are in an american company it is the American expected to adopt their
customs.
> unless of course you believe that fair and equitable
> treatment at workplace is a uniquely American characteristic.
Oh please.
> Most of the business in a lot of IT firms [any which doesn't hire on a
> purely linguistic basis] is already done in English as English is the
> only common language we Indians have. So that shouldn't be a concern
> really.
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