I've said this privately and now I'll say it publicly. I admire John for his faith and for his willingness to make moral stands against great odds, even though I don't always agree with him. AFAIC, John is a friend and feel comfortable teasing him some, even risking him taking things the wrong way.
In case it needs to be said, I feel the same way about most everyone here, excluding those I don't know very well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Federal Marriage Amendment > At 12:18 PM 2/22/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: > >As to the question of consistency: I think it is every persons right > >to change their minds when they feel it is necessary. I also feel that > >another person sees or think they see an inconsistency in ones > >worldview, it is perfectly OK to point it out. > >In fact it is something of a duty for us to help each other through > >our various blind spots. And we all *do* have blind spots. > > Indeed, blind spots like macking a mockery of deadly serious positions, and > then calling those people whom you mock "small-minded." Whoa John! You are misinterpreting me from the onset. The sig remark about consistancy was to only say that consistancy is not always of primal importance. It wasn't a comment directed at you with the intent to insult. How about: "Don't worry too much about consistancy or people trying to trap you into inconsistancy, it's not always the big deal people make it out to be." > > I stated plainly and simply that I believe that human life begins at > conception. You chose to mock my defense of that life in large part by > suggesting that I logically should also want to defend the sacredness of > every single human cell. The utter non-sequitur of that position should > be readily apparent to you. I think your position is pretty clear to anyone who has been on the list for any length of time. I take it as a given, and after all these years I'm not about to begin criticizing you when morally, I sympathise with you. > > If you truly want to point out my blind spots: then please, use fair > representaitons of my positions, do not resort to mockery and insults, and > deal with my arguments on the merits. I wasn't mocking you John. I was parodying an argument (both sides truely) that has been done to death here and elsewhere. I think what we need here is an indepth analysis of "Every Sperm Is Sacred". Let me look up a Monty Python compendium................. > > In the meantime, I would ask you to consider too things: > 1) If you were just mocking me, why does my post which mocked you back > require such a serious response? Again, I was not mocking you, but I did feel explaining my personal position would be useful......... and deescalating. I would think that you would realize after several years that, in regards to you, I am not unsympathetic, that our differences are political and not moral, and that I often inject humor into serious discussions at times that some may feel are inappropriate. Humor, well, I try to be sensitive in regards to others in the sense that I wouldn't intentionally make funeral jokes if I knew someone reading had just had a death in the family. But as far as political humor goes, if someone screams after being lampooned, it just shows they need some lampooning. There aint nothing worse than someone who takes themselves *too* seriously. Of course, this just more position talk and not directed your way. > > 2) If you truly want to know how offensive I found your post, imagine > someone writing "Every Jew is Sacred...." Since I believe that human > life really does begin at conception, that is how I took it. I hear you, but then "Every Jew Is Sacred" could be pretty funny in its own right. Outrageous and offensive, but Jews seem to deal with this kind of humor quite well, and are in fact masters of it. > > Now obviously Monty Python is in the business of fairly offensive humor.... > but when you backed up your Monty Python quote with that "hobgoblin" and > "small minds" stuff, you took it out of the realm of offensive humor and > into the realm of ust plain offensive. I can see where you might think that and thereby feel that I was trashing you. But I assure you that was not the case, and apologize for your hurt feelings even though that was not my intent. I think you know that if I'm going to "jack" with someone, I'm not going to explain and I'm not going to apologize. I prefer to let them stew in their own juice. > > JDG - Body Politic, Maru xponent Interpersonal Relationships Maru rob _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
