>JD wrote-
>I'm getting really fed up with Mike's endless hatemongering against Muslims 
>here. Would this be a good time to ask the list admins to remove him?


Look, we all have hot buttons and things that we tirade on about 
in our own way.  One thing this list has learned to do is 
somehow have good conversations on just about any topic 
with anyone at least once.  At some point we learn when a 
topic has been beaten close to it's last breath, then we
give it a break/or watch attempted pulverization of the 
participants like a gory coliseum event, and then 
sometimes it slinks off and recovers in an alien 
nutrient vat to come back when we least expect it.   
(Or in the case of John's annual pro-life
email... we expect and try and not get sucked into
something that is just a redredge.)   There
isn't much that gets past this group- things rarely die
we just get better at discussing them and learning with
time (or ignoring and not getting sucked in).  I can't say
I am particularly thrilled by a number of current threads,
or the dripping disdain that requires a sump pump,
but it is kind of the "inverse haircut principle"- it 
(whatever it is) will grow away given time.  

Try some variety of approaches before asking for
admin interventions, "give 'em what they least expect".
Creative civility is a goal we can all strive for.  Survival 
around here involves a bit of thick skin, flak gear, a copious
sense of humor, a whole lot of reflection and tolerance,
and an occasional IIAMOAC mantra/group hug. In
more than 7ish years, I have rarely (think less than
once a year) seen any calls for action.... merely
more creativity of handling things/growth.  

I am not someone that can remember lines in a 
movie, etc.... but you should see some of the great
warped poetry that comes out during our most 
stressed times.  Anyone got copies of what I recall 
as Marvin's donut posting, or the Poe/IHOP poems?   
(I think Poe was pre Vilyehm, betcha he would like 
the tutti frutti challenge :-)  Hmmm, maybe we
talk about comfort food under stress.

Dee
Flip on a Friday night 
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