At 06:03 PM 11/4/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
>The problem is that, despite all the evangelical language that
>accompanies the bombast, this line of thinking dethrones God. It
>denies the gift of the cross and says that we, not Christ, are the
>savior. 

So, I guess that we should just close all the soup-kitchens, because
Christ, not "we" are the savior????

JDG

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