----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <brin-l@mccmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
>
> I think its arguable that many of the mentioned countries, the the
> Philippians frex as well as many others (such as Iran) were able to move
> away from their dictatorial governments _despite_ the U.S., not because
of
> its influence.

If this were true, then one should look at countries with less US influence
and find a greater percentage of working democracies for longer periods of
time than those with greater US influence.

Dan M.


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