In a message dated 8/18/2005 3:20:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I think you do not understand the thrust of Zimmy's argument, which > seems to be that for hundreds or thousands of years, various forms of > overt and covert evils have been leveled against Jews by various groups > (Amelekites, Egyptians, Germans, American Klansmen, and so forth), to > the point that virtually all thought is now irretrievably poisoned by > the meme of anti-semitism. No my arguement is that anti-semitism is deeply embedded in the west. You may be glib about it but it is there. I have offered many specific historical examples of anti-semitism. No one has denied that these things occurred. They just say that it is untrue. So for the catholics in the audience here is another. In approximately 1850 a catholic woman secretly baptised a jewish baby. The baby was kidnapped. The pope refused to return the child to his parents. Had paintings of the child made with him. For you protestants in the audience; ever take a look at what Luther said about the jews? Do not get me wrong. I am not claiming that protestant groups and the catholic church are anti-semitic. They certainly are not. I am not saying that christians today are anti-semitic in the way that people were in the past. I am saying that to deny history is to repeat it. You can't avoid it, you can't deny it, it is > > in your cultural DNA. If you spent your entire life defending the rights > of Jewish people everywhere, you would still be poisoned by > anti-semitism and subject to criticism on that front. but of course you can avoid it. If you do not deny that subtle anti-semitism isn pervasive you can look at what you say or think and ask yourself if it is reasonable. Kind like "you know your a redneck if" . For instance you know your an anti-semite if you think the noble prize should be taken away from the jewish leader but not Arafat (note - you may think it should be taken away from both without being an anti-semite). Quite obviously everyone thinks this way. The problem is that good and reasonable people think this way. At least some people on this list don't think my sensitivity to this issue is out of place. > > You can't deny it because you can't escape it. It is in you. > You can't deny it but you can certainly escape it. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
