Robert Seeberger wrote:

> I would describe it as "sub-formal". The Security Council is 
> substatially mired down in other concerns that is less than optimally 
> effective as it might be. IMO the terms should be clear to all: "You 
> won't or else.....you shall not use such weapons or else.....you will 
> not make threats concerning use of such weapons or else". The threat 
> is much too dire for an understanding of anything less. 

See the prolem here, as far as I can make out, is this: the only nations
which are actually in the position to issue such ultimatums are also the
countries who have no moral standing to do so. It is *very* hard to
convince people that nukes suck and ought to be avoided when you are
backed by a huge nuclear arsenal and are in no hurry to disarm
yourselves. "Do as I say, not as I do" has never been a convincing
argument.

> > Isn't that why Iran is so dead-set against being referred to the 
> > Security Council for removing the seals?
> 
> I think Iran is set on building influence and power. I hypothesize 
> that Iran is one of those nations with an ancient and storied 
> past and 
> that many there feel their nation has an inherent right to be a 
> "Playa" both regionally and on the world stage. It seems to me that 
> such memes are often enough a part of a (non-economic) conservatism 
> that sometimes involves a distinct nationalism/fascism but almost 
> always plays well in the home park.

These memes always play well in the home park. Think 'manifest destiny'
and 'shining city on the hill'.

> I think too North Korea plays into this somewhat.
> They had nukes, were part of the Axis of Evil, and were not 
> invaded. Iraq didn't and was. I don't think this was missed 
> by everyone, and now it may be seen as 
> desireable to possess nukes as a hedge against invasion by more 
> powerful nations.

Yep, I made that point in my response to your first mail in this thread
[don't go checking the mail - I never got around to sending it]. 

> It may be that the ease with which the US swatted Iraq down surprised 
> much of the developing world 

Uh, no. Think of the size and condition of Iraq's army and you'll see
why no one was surprised.

> I agree.
> I have no expertise in this area and am really just guessing about 
> motives and movement. I'm wondering if Andrew or Ritu have any 
> interesting comments on the subject. It is almost always quite 
> instructive to hear from people distinctly outside the American pool 
> of opinion. (Not that Russell is mistaken for an American<G>)

Ah well, I'll try and finish the first mail then and send it. It is the
one I mentally call 'Fat in the fire'. :)

Ritu

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