On Sep 28, 2006, at 8:45 PM, jdiebremse wrote:

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mauro Diotallevi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
My grandmother used to say two things about this depending on her
mood; either "Catholic heirarchy created this reverence of Mary
because she's the most submissive role model those guys in Rome
could find"

Which isn't exactly true..... of course, her submission to God's will
in "The Annunciation" story has long been a model for Christians, she
nevertheless is one of the only people recorded in the Bible as not just openly disagreeing with Jesus, but as also succeeding in changing Jesus'
(God's) mind!   There's something to be said for that!

And there's something rather profound to be said for the fact that God's
mind can be changed. The stories of Abraham and Isaac and of the
destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah reveal a surprisingly human view of
God.

If you believe that the Bible is the inerrant revelation of God to man,
these stories may present some problems. If you believe that the Bible
is a human-authored story of their striving to understand God and their
relationship to God, then they represent a particular stage in the
development of that understanding.

In any event, it suggests that, to the believer, prayer is not a waste
of time if God is willing to be moved.

Dave

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