On Oct 25, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 at 12:29, Jonathan wrote:
On Oct 25, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 at 10:55, Nick Arnett wrote:
"Other developments were not encouraging, such as the bombing of the
U.N.
headquarters in Baghdad, the fact that we did not find stockpiles of
weapons
of mass destruction, and the continued loss of some of America's
finest sons
and daughters."
Yessir, how very encouraging it would have been to find some. It's
just a
damn shame that more tyrants don't have WMDs. But we can change
that! In
You mean except the sarin shells and suchlike? Yea. no, he didn't
have nuclear capacity, but chemical and a willingness to use it? Ask
the Kurds.
AndrewC
Dawn Falcon
Yeah, and I'll have them write their answer on my picture of Rumsfeld
shaking Saddams' hand. You know, the snapshot taken the very same
week
the UN report describing this Kurdish gassing you cite actually came
out! Poppy Bush had Rummy there to smooth out public response to this
Your point?
Machiavelli is a alive and well in the XXIst.
It's a family business practice you might say. Noriega was Poppy's CIA
Boy until he grew too uppity and was giving the leadership of other
South American satrapies restless notions. They used him to run drugs
into America & fund black-ops Congress {the public} need not worry it's
pretty head over, so they set him up and he's rotting in a prison
remarkably like Saddams. BTW - Panama is still a wreck to this day.
The UN had rooted out everything of note - hence Bush lamenting not
That's why they're STILL don't know where he hid all the chemicals.
That's NOT "everything of note", many of the stashes were still
potentially lethal.
Well, as several defectors relayed in the 90's SH actually did
dismantle the infrastructure and stockpiles. We've all discussed this
before in this group. They hid the plans for nukes in backyard gardens
and generally held in suspension the broad swath of WMD/NBC development
and production. The Bush administration was very well aware of this.
Much of those remaining {and tiny} stockpiles were degraded by 2002
beyond any reasonable shelf life and he had no way to "freshen up" his
boutique. Compare and contrast this administration hyping these facts
up with their public talk of "mushroom clouds".
finding any when he insisted we attack anyway. How was Saddam
supposed
to prove a negative: Bush demanded he prove he no longer had WMD and
Saddam retained NBC weapons. And by cooperating with international
inspectors, as he did not.
warned the inspectors to leave {Saddam wanted them there to forestall
invasion} so US could attack... It was all pretext to loot - both the
Yes, conspiracy theory #104590581656874387135786468715674
Right.
Wrong. #104590581656874387135786468715128, your off a few significant
figures.
Check your catalog.
This one is becoming all too real as the documentation flows, nay
floods, from disaffected insiders going back to the first meetings of
this administration in the White House. The rats are fleeing a sinking
ship now and they are dishing dirt to avoid the stain of all this
blood, gold, failure & shame.
Seriously, are you really defending this bunch of corporate kleptos?
There are shit-loads of money being "made" and stolen around this
"noble war" and if you can't smell the conspiracies your simply a fool
& a tool. There were literally shipping-pallets of money large enough
to see from space that have gone missing. They were auctioning off the
Iraqi Heathrow tarmac rights within weeks of the invasion {this was
called looting once upon a time}. I subscribe to Greg Palasts'
documented evidence of conspiracy that the big bucks would be made
keeping the Iraqi oil OFF the market and boost up oil revenues
dramatically. Let alone the no-bid contracts galore or the quiet
backroom invoice-billing systems I've mentioned from my own time as a
defense contractor that are absolutely fleecing our treasury. There's
plenty of motive for conspiracies just on the time-tested motivator
called Greed. I'll leave Power for another time.
Read up on Palast and his new book, Armed Madhouse,
www.gregpalast.com {his site is down this AM, you may need to see
wikipedia}
He's collected a stunning amount of evidence, memos, interviews,
garbage-bin scavenging... he's a true investigative reporter able to
bring a forensic accountants' skills to get at the nub of things - with
humor.
target country resources and the US treasury and all we have is a
handful of decade old dusty artillery shells to show for this threat.
Chemical. Warfare. Shells. That's not "old dusty artillery shells".
Your are trying to make a point by denying clear and present
evidence.
So, Mr Braveheart. Content with being a real hero - but only when you
So, Mr. I love Dictators, content to crap on the world and surprised
when the world shits back? That America did not create the very
situation it decrys, and now you want to pull in the borders, hide
and deny that it ever happened, and think that it'll go away without
help. That you want the terrorists dying for their god round your
house, rather than in another country?
What an amazing response!
Your the one supporting our would-be King George, buck-o.
My "point" above is the very reason you are railing against now.
My argument, perhaps too low-key, is the Blow-Back argument you make
right here.
As for where terrorists die... How much better to never create them in
the first place - such as the very policies you decry above - as these
actions have redirected huge numbers of of otherwise "just folk" to
hate Americans, Brits and the West by our cavalier actions? The CIA
says Iraq is now the preeminent advanced placement on-the-job terrorist
training school. Oh, sure, were' killing brown-skins at a great clip
over there, but like the French in Algiers, more resentment and anger
is created by these policies - AND WE ARE MAKING MORE THAN WE CAN KILL.
This is called failure of policy and execution.
Yeah, right. Whack the bees nest with a flaming olive branch and then
kill all the angry little creatures that swarm around the damage. As
we can see, the Iraqi populace is so-o-o pleased to host our War On
Terror and are only too glad to offer up their children and families to
the righteous crossfire you enjoy dispensing. Of course, this will
breed contentment and international cooperation and mutual prosperity
in a great flowering world empire to last a thousand years, er, well...
I guess we know how that last empire left the world stage, heh? Exit,
stage Reich!
Let's add a failure of imagination to that list above.
I am not in favor of isolation and your projecting some other argument
into this. I'm one of that rare percentage of Americans who actually
has - and enjoys - a passport. I'm arguing we should be working
smarter, not harder, against a very real {if overblown} threat by
muslim extremists. The sad clowns in charge now are only making things
worse.
Noted. (No, I don't have time for conspiracy theorists, no.)
Oh, you really ought to! Your missing out on so much, it's clear!
for boot camp? We have words for this sort of approach, but I'll wait
for your response to see where you take my questions.
There are words for your approach as wel, starting with "paranoia"
and "mentally ill". I work for the good of my country, Israel, as I
allways have done. If it came down to it, yes, I'd be there in the
line with a rifle.
You, an Israeli, are going to call me, an American, paranoid?!?
Hutzpah!
Strong words. Support them. I can already see your confusion of my
POV - especially here on Blow-Back. I don't know what argument framing
pre-loads your debate plans, but it's less than effective here.
Ahh, but you dodged the question: would you be willing to march off to
N Korea {for example} to stuff-up Kim and any other would-be
NBC-mongers around the world - or do you always choose to let others
fight {sometimes die} for you?
Where's the strength of your arguments in this light? Withering, I'd
guess.
Out in the forty miles of bad road I grew up in that's called cowardice.
I'm more interested in whatever became of the Anthrax poisoning of a
few key {democratic} leadership offfices just as the Patriot Act was
coming up for review. That investigation has mysteriously dried up
after tracking US milspec grade production was involved. We have more
to worry about Weapons of Mass Deception than anything else these
days.
The anthrax which it was so-easy to order? It dried up because there
were no solid leads. The procedure for getting hold of it is now
actually, well, reasonably secure.
AndrewC
Dawn Falcon
No Andrew, the military grade Anthrax manufactured with New and
Improved Extra Dispersion qualities that almost reached nano-specs. Do
some research. This was a false-flag operation to gin-up anxiety for
the war drums and strong-arm our democracy into a proto-fascist country
at worst, and a handy crowbar to pry open wide the defense budget
spigot at best.
Your excused and can go back to sleep now.
Jonathan Gibson
Evening Eagle
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