----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <brin-l@mccmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: Iraq Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"


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>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Seeberger
>> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 1:54 PM
>> To: Killer Bs Discussion
>> Subject: Re: Iraq Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <brin-l@mccmedia.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: Iraq Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
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>> > It would, however, be
>> > reasonable to argue that, while there is wanton murder by some, 
>> > the
>> > levels
>> > are lower than what they were before.
>>
>> IIRC the death rate in Iraq is double pre-war levels, mostly due to
>> the insurgency.
>>
>> Or were you pointing to something else and I missed your meaning?
>
> I probably wasn't clear.  I was putting forth categories of 
> arguementation,
> not talking about the actual facts in Iraq.  For example, someone 
> who
> expected a competently run post-invasion period could argue that we 
> should
> expect life to be better after Hussein than under him.  If it were 
> run
> competently, and death rates were no higher than they were in the 
> last half
> of 2003, then that would be, IMHO a persuasive argument.  Now, it is 
> clear
> that the US damaged its own interests through the Iraq invasion and 
> it's
> aftermath, and its probable that Iraq will be worse off after 
> Hussein than
> under Hussein.  So, I was not arguing for the proposition that 
> things are
> better off than under Hussein.  Rather, I was arguing that better or 
> worse
> than Hussein was a valid measuring stick.
>
That explains things then<G>
Heck I've made such arguments.


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