> Republicans would have to be suicidal idiots to play ball with Obama and
> the Democrats on health care reform.   They all involve increased
> interference by the Federal Government in the health care market, which
> is a cultural no-no in America.  (Leaving people uninsured is also a
> no-no.  Basically, health care reform runs afoul  deeply held
> contradictory cultural values.  It is not a problem for which there is a
> satisfactory political compromise.)
 
and so they may be… all that… suicidal and idiots to play ball at all. The  
purpose of
American political machinery should be clear to the cultural no-no in America
by now.  It has always served those who formed it.  The move from the slave 
economy 
where social medicine went with the territory of slavery and platform for the 
slave economy was never questioned but the first order of business for the US 
Congress after the 13th 14th and 15th 
An amendment was the 16th amendment.  These all redirected the American labor
economy and brought us the Federal Income Tax system.  This new order of
business broadened the labor pool from the slave economy to the wage-slave
economy where the tax on income brought a larger pool slaves into the American
work force.  This new philosophy led to a broader need for social constrictions
on the capital pools which was enlarged due to the industrial revolution and the
monster railroads influence upon the mobility of that pool of American laborers.
The ideas of social control of these pools of labor naturally required 
regulation
of the controlling capital functions...i.e. the need for wage and hour laws and 
also
social security and social medicine was born.
 
Taft no less a scholar than Mr. Obama saw the need to restrict the excesses 
long 
before Mr. Roosevelt social formulas became the widely accepted model and the 
ideas
that any one party solution will rule the day is truly not the issue.  The real 
issue is
related to the place for American labor and its competition in global markets 
which are exploited for the cheapest labor to continue  products and the ideas 
of built in obsolescence which  rule the day.  The lost of the  American 
financial market due to misplaced understanding about how it work in a world 
financial situation where the micro-parity is not equal to the macro-parity 
bring us to the numbers of questions addressed daily on this blog...that is the 
one on social medicine and the other on a die-off both of which were addressed 
by the economist N. Kondriedoff.  The key
to understanding the present American twist if the American attempt to maintain 
global control
of capital while giving up predominance in the production sector and ruling 
over a financial market
without any control over world productions or demand for that production.  What 
has this to do
with health care?  Even during slavery a high standard for the labor force was 
paramount…any other belief run afoul for the facts…but you might sell your good 
sense for a bowl of beans
 
read:
 
Ghettonomics—Man and Myth
 
Morris Peavey


--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Doug Pensinger <brig...@zo.com> wrote:


From: Doug Pensinger <brig...@zo.com>
Subject: Re: Unsolvable and beyond compromise.
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" <brin-l@mccmedia.com>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:10 PM


Trent wrote:

> Republicans would have to be suicidal idiots to play ball with Obama and
> the Democrats on health care reform.   They all involve increased
> interference by the Federal Government in the health care market, which
> is a cultural no-no in America.  (Leaving people uninsured is also a
> no-no.  Basically, health care reform runs afoul  deeply held
> contradictory cultural values.  It is not a problem for which there is a
> satisfactory political compromise.)

Hopefully their intransigence will backfire.

Doug

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