> JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Deborah Harrell wrote:
> > And if
> >boffing strangers is _not_ contributing to the
> >breakdown of the family, I don't know what would
be.
> I will freely admit that I have not read about this
> situation in detail,
> but in the reports I have seen, the only activity
> proposed by Mr. Ryan was
> monogamous activity. Exhibitionist activity, mind
> you - but also purely monogamous.
The first article I read strongly implied "other
person" -- but this seems to be incorrect per Rob's
several articles.
<snip>
> >Pressuring anyone to do something against their
> >beliefs/morals is reprehensible at worst, and
> >ignorant at best --
> So, if someone believes that it is unsafe to fly an
> airplane, it is
> reprehensible/ignorant to pressure them to do so?
<wry> I'm not aware that riding in an airplane is a
moral belief yea or nay... ;)
> Even better, if someone's beliefs are that condoms
> are immoral, it is
> reprehensible/ignorant to pressume them to use a
> condom?
I already said that I would exempt life and death
medical issues from such pressure, and gave an
example. And yes, condom use *can* be a life and
death issue, frex in sex workers -- I can get cites
from African and SE Asian studies WRT sex workers -
many of whom, I must point out, are girls tricked or
coerced into the trade. But just as sad are the many
wives who get AIDS from their prostitute-patronizing
husbands (most recent info I saw from Indonesia).
> I would also add that in none of the articles I have
> read have unusual
> amounts of "pressure" been described. Maybe some
> persistence, but certainly not coercion.
<very, very serious> Asking somebody - in front of
others or 'on-the-spot' - to do something sexually
explicit is by its very nature 'high pressure,' unless
said askee is already well-known to be an
exhibitionist. That is very different from asking
your SO, in the privacy of your home, "Have you ever
fantasized about having sex in front of other people?"
(As somebody else on-List already pointed out.)
Doug wrote:
"Who on the list condemned him for the actual
practices? I thought most everyone either said that
they didn't like the possible coercive aspect or
the family values hypocrisy."
That is my position as well; I don't think I can add
anything to Dan's points WRT hypocrisy, unless I toss
in either medical or horse scenarios...and I daresay
folks are a little tired of those!
Debbi
Well Too Bad, 'Cause I'll Keep On Using 'Em When I
Think They Fit! Maru ;) U U
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