I was just thinking about exactly the same problem myself!
Last night at training I was fouled by someone who threw the disc away.
I pre-empted the throw and had my hand still when they initiated contact - whilst releasing the disc.
They called a foul and got the disc back, despite my objections.
I made a mental note: Next time I predict a throw like that I shall endeavour to call 'foul' before contact is made, or at least before the thrower does. I doubt it'll work, but it's worth a go. Hopefully this mental note won't go the way of many of my previous mental notes and disappear into the void.
Jack
On 4 May 2005, at 16:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all, This email is about rules and interpretation of them - DELETE if you can't be bothered to read a quite long and properly boring mail. Lately, I have become more and more annoyed by the fact that the interpretation of what is a foul or not on the mark is very different across uk ultimate. Generally i found that when ever a forcer calls foul, it gets argued. I would like the opinion of anyone will to consider the below scenerios. 1. A legal position is established and the thrower pivots into the mark and throws a backhand, the marker, naturally moves around slightly but in the same plain as the initial force. The thrower releases the disc and calls foul due to contact. The throw initiated about 75% of the contact. Is this a foul on the mark? A foul on the throw? or neither? 2. A legal position is established and the thrower pivots into the mark and throws a backhand, the marker, unnaturally does not move. The thrower releases the disc and calls foul due to contact. The throw initiated about 100% of the contact. Is this a foul on the mark? A foul on the throw? or neither? 3. A legal position is established and the thrower pivots into the mark and throws a backhand, the marker, naturally moves around. The thrower releases the disc and calls foul due to contact. The throw initiated about 50% of the contact. Is this a foul on the mark? A foul on the throw? or neither? 4. A legal position is established and the throw then pivots to throw a throw. Whilst attempting to pivot the thrower trips / kicks a markers leg. The marker was slightly moving but the thrower initiated 90% of the contact. Is this a foul on the mark? A foul on the throw? or neither? 5. A marker stands less than a disc width away (upper body). what is the thrower supposed to do? There is no putting the disc in between like lots of people do in the rules. Any other scenerios need looking at? The Rules *** highlighted +++++ Lewis comment 404.11 The Marker: A. Guarding: At any time, only one defensive player may guard the thrower. A player is said to be guarding the thrower if he or she is within 3 m of the thrower's pivot foot and is not within 3 m of any other member of the offensive team. A thrower guarded by more than one defender shall call, "Double team." The first time this occurs during any one count, the marker should immediately subtract 2 seconds from the count and continue without interruption. The second time this occurs is a foul and the count shall be reset to zero with a check. When guarding the thrower, the marker may not straddle the pivot foot of the thrower. +++Obvious+++ When guarding the thrower, the *upper body* of the marker must be at least one disc's diameter from the *upper body of the thrower at all times. It is the mutual responsibility of both players to respect each other's position and not encroach into the other's area once it is established.* ++++So it’s upper body only and NEITHER PARTY may pivot in to the others. So what happens if both parties move in to an area that neither of them previously occupied? Is it a foul by the one is encroaches more? Or is it a foul by who arrives there second?++++ When guarding the thrower, the *marker* cannot position his or her *arms* in such a manner as to restrict the thrower from pivoting. +++Note: this rule is talking about arms only. So technically if they can’t pivot because of your legs / body it is not a foul? Obviously, you can’t straddle+++ +++encroach : To advance beyond proper or former limits+++ 404.13 Fouls: A. Definition: Fouls are the result of physical contact between opposing players. A foul may be called by the player who has been fouled and must be announced by calling out the word, "foul" loudly and immediately after the foul has occurred. B. Responsibility: The player *initiating* contact shall be the player guilty of the foul. +++So what happens if both parties move in to an area that neither of them previously occupied? Is it a foul by the one is initiates the most? Or is it a foul by who arrives there second?+++ C. Throwing Fouls: A throwing foul may be called when there is *contact between the thrower and the marker, prior to the release of the disc by the thrower*. Contact occurring during the thrower's follow through is *not* sufficient grounds for a foul, but should still be avoided whenever possible. When a foul is committed by the thrower or the marker, play stops and possession reverts back to the thrower, after a check. If the thrower is fouled in the act of throwing and the pass is completed, the foul is automatically declined and play continues without interruption. If the marker is fouled during the thrower's act of throwing and the pass is not completed, play continues without interruption. If the pass is completed, the disc is returned to the thrower after a check and the stall count is resumed from the point of interruption. Should a foul or violation result in possession reverting to a thrower who was airborne while releasing the disc, play shall be restarted at the point on the playing field proper closest to the location from which the throw was made. +++ initiating : To set going by taking the first step +++ Cheers Lewis
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