Hasn't 12.2 always been in and covered this?

12.2. If the player loses control of the disc due to subsequent
contact with the ground or a
team-mate or a legitimately positioned opposition player, the catch is
deemed to have
not occurred.

C

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 21:23, Paul Holden <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fair point. My immediate reaction was "I wouldn't call that!" but on
> further thinking about it it would be fairer to say "Having read the new
> rules I wouldn't call that." What I would have done if it happened prior
> to the new rules I am not so sure about.
>
> The new rules are a definite improvement in that regard as the situation
> you highlight is directly equivalent to a "ground strip" but was
> probably not played that way in many (most/all) situations.
>
> Regards,
> Paul Holden     mailto: [email protected]
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Two people go up for a high disc and as the catcher comes down the disc is 
>> knocked out of his hands because it hits the other player. Lots of people 
>> call this a strip. But the defender did not foul at any point…so in the new 
>> rules it shouldn’t be a strip but a turnover.
>> ------------------
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Holden <[email protected]>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:41:29
>> Cc: <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [BD] Strip
>>
>>
>> Lewis,
>>
>> I don't think that there is any functional difference in the new
>> wording, just an attempt at simplification.
>>
>> Noting that:
>>
>> Definitions - Possession of the disc
>> ...
>> A disc in the possession of a player is considered part of that player.
>> ...
>>
>> And:
>>
>> 17.4. Defensive Throwing (Marking) Fouls:
>> 17.4.1. A Defensive Throwing Foul occurs when:
>> 17.4.1.1. A defensive player is illegally positioned (Section 18.1), and
>> there is contact with the thrower; or
>> 17.4.1.2. A defensive player initiates contact with the thrower, or a
>> part of their body was moving and contacted the thrower, prior to the
>> release.
>>
>> And:
>>
>> 17.5. Strip Fouls:
>>        17.5.1. A Strip Foul occurs when a defensive foul causes the
>> receiver or thrower to drop the disc after they have gained possession.
>>
>> It seems to amount to the same thing? I'm am not sure in what way the
>> old wording can be seen to be broader in scope than the new wording?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Paul Holden   mailto: [email protected]
>>
>> Lewis wrote:
>>> I'm going to be incredibly nerdy here but I don't care :P
>>>
>>> I've just noticed....the 2002 rules said...
>>>
>>> # D. Strip: No defensive player may touch the disc while it is in the
>>> possession of the thrower or receiver. If a defensive player does so,
>>> causing the thrower or receiver to drop the disc, the player who was in
>>> possession of the disc calls, "Strip."
>>>
>>>    1. The player formerly in possession of the disc regains possession at
>>> the point where the strip occurred and play shall resume via a check.
>>>    2. If a stall count was in progress as the disc was stripped, the count
>>> is reset to zero.
>>>    3. A contested strip of the receiver is treated the same as a contested
>>> catching foul; an uncontested strip in the end zone is a goal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> New (2009) / 2008 rules say:
>>>
>>> 17.5. Strip Fouls:
>>> 17.5.1. A Strip Foul occurs when a defensive foul causes the receiver or
>>> thrower to
>>> drop the disc after they have gained possession.
>>> 17.5.2. If the reception would have otherwise been a goal, and the foul is
>>> uncontested, a
>>> goal is awarded.
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems that a lot of people are still playing the top rule any contact and
>>> the disc gets dropped = strip, but in fact it must be a defensive foul that
>>> causes a strip.
>>>
>>> Lewis
>>>
>>>
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