Someone broke the silence: > Tasks for Jr was (Re: [BSDcert] Jr Power Ranger?) > > Haulmark, Chris wrote: > >> What I am hoping is that this JR cert would help benefit > those people who wants to hire a college kid (fresh breed > with no absolute professional experience) that just acquired > this JR certification and would be comfortable letting him > work on an entry level. Senior Admins could be around to do > more complex operations or execute a project by using the JR > Admins do the grunting work. >> >> >> >> > I think most of use are heading down this path, although > there does seem > to be some tendency toward making jr a virtual expert. I > remember the > first time I setup an firewall with ipfw and automatic dialup backup. > I certainly don't think jr should be able to do that on day one, but > rather grow into it. I also most definitely wouldn't want jr to grow > walking through my kernel making uh, err improvements...:D > But writing > backup scripts in sh, or tcsh, to automate tar jobs definitely.
The certification is supposed to make you study and acquire the sufficent knowledge before you take the test. Once you are ready to take the test, you should know (insert the tasks required here). > > Without some OS specific proficiency modifier I'm not sure I want jr > installing a system from scratch on day one, but given a recently > installed OS I would expect that the individual would be able > to get it > up and running on the LAN. Turn on/off services in inetd, add the > appropriate users etc.. The JR Admin should be able to do the projects at the best of the ability as required by either a manager or an admin on a senior level. > > Thinking along this line maybe we can define the tasks required and > decide which are jr and which require some more sr expertise? > I learned that most of senior positions require high levels of improvision. It takes years to detect those who can improvise when it comes to creating and excecuting plans. They spend more time on paperwork than in front of a console. JR admins should be doing the vice versa. > Using pw to create a new user, and passwd to set the uh err > well password. > Using vi to edit the conf files to assign the host name, ip address, > default router address, and adding the new user to group wheel. > Standard remote management telnet, ssh, what about tipping into the > serial port? That is really too easy that most of anyone with either one of BSD's book can just read and take the test next day. Look at CCNA, why is it hard? A lot of knowledge on demand. That's why companies like to list "CCNA" as their requirement on a job ad. Even if this company doesn't use any cisco products. > Looking at my NOC I'd say that's really a sr > task my jr's > haven't even heard of tip to be honest and unless I show them > how to use > I doubt that the will try. > > I realize that this may be OS specific but one of the first tasks I > always teach after the system is up on FreeBSD anyway is to install > cvsup-without-gui from the ports. This is followed by making > them edit > the cvsup file to access our local mirror and update the > entire system. > > So what do you expect jr to do day one, ok within the first > two weeks or so? Whatever a project requires. The certification is to prove that you know those required skills. A manager or someone else above this new-hired position should know and understand the requirements to pass a certification. As soon as I was hired, I dived in to adjust myself with the way the others work. I did not have any handholdings except when it came to those that were not in documentations but instead in someone's head. After two weeks, I started to replace some of our old equipment with the new ones. I did the installation, configuration, and migrating data to the new equipment without anyone around. Boss had to tell the others to stay out of my way while I did this. I admit that I did not enter this new job with no experiences but I think that my job history built up confidence with this boss to allow me to do those. A BSD certification should do a similar thing for a FreeBSD project. Chris _______________________________________________ BSDcert mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/bsdcert
