I believe that Training Centers should also have to participate or organize events related to the BSD Market at least once a year. This should do the job for them getting involved on BSD not only for financial pourposes, but also as an active member of the community...
So, to become a certified training center:
1 - at least one teacher certified on the BSD training certification (wow, another certification level!)
2 - Organization or participation on events related to BSD on thei countries at least once a year.
For this to become possible
1 - A training certification has to be created
2 - A fee must be stablished, to support the continuous activities of the BSD Certification Group.
Is there any member of the BCG board that could give us a light, or at least tell us if our assumptions are going on the right way?
I think I'm gonna read the entire RoadMap now... ;-)
On 9/2/05, J. Rafael Gómez G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So then:
1. We must divide the program in two big areas: Individuals Certification and Certified Trainers. Of course, the first one is a requisite for the second.
2. As Pablo assertively pointed, Training centers must have at least 1 certified trainer.
3. Training program for educators should include less technical topics than the Individual Certification Program. Teaching methods and some topics like programming languages sounds good for me. Here we'll cover the "incremental difficulty" aspect asked by other members of the list.
4. Training Certified Centers must be a lot more compromised than other lower levels (Individual and trainers) to develop a "BSD Market" in theirs communities. This will benefit all the "chain" (BSD OSes, BSD-CG, BSD Certified individuals, and the center itself).
More ideas are being "cooked" in my brain. As soon as possible I get them ready I'll expose them...
Pablo:
Saludos a los hermanos sudamericanos desde la tierra del tequila y el mariachi...--
On 9/1/05, Pablo Sánchez < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Rafael,
Education (teaching - pedagology) is a science as any other. To say that it's not possible or difficult to create a Teaching Program because each people has it's style, is like saying we cannot teach programming, because each programmer has it's own styles. There are always basic principles for that. So, I didn't thought about a teacher certification - associate should be enought - but your comment was very interesting to bring this point up.
I believe there could be a certification program for BSD teachers, and maybe one of the requisites for the "BSD Certification Preparation Courses" to be taught in a Center should be having the teacher certified or something like that.
Un gran abrazo a los mejicanos y todos los latinos del grupo (vivo en Brasil pero soy argentino).
Pablo
On 9/1/05, J. Rafael Gómez G." < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Ok. But we must understand first of all that:_______________________________________________
1. The only "institution" that gives real recognition of a certification is the IT Market, not the goverments. In my region, an MSCE worths its weight in gold. Why? Simply, because here, in Central Region of Mexico, Microsoft IT rules (this tendency It's changing towards Linux, but with a very slow pace). LPIC is getting more value in all Mexico because "Linux Market" is growing. Why Linux is growing? Because (I suppose) enterprises (and its IT leaders) are discovering that "value" that Linux gives to their IT infraestructure. Conclusion: IT Market and IT Certifications are closely related.
The best way to promote a BSD Cert is to promote BSD itselft. Why? Because as the "BSD Market" grows the certification will be as important as the market itselt. Based on this thinking, the price of the BSD Cert should be proportional to the value of the "BSD Market" worldwide.
2. The requisites to become an accredition center should be more technical than economical to help countries like Brazil, Mexico, etc. to develop training centers to develop not just BSD IT pros, but also to create and increase the BSD Market itself. I'm agree with Pablo that the price must not be too low, but also it shouldn't be too much high. An annual fee to accredition centers its a good way to compromise them to help to the increasing of "BSD Market".
3. Evan is right: To become a real trainer, isn't sufficient just to be certified you must know how to teach. But I think that is really complex to develop a "Trainer Teaching" program. That's because each trainer I know has it's own method to teach according to his/her personality.
Greeting.
On 9/1/05, Evan Leibovitch < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:The issue of "accredited training centres" is certainly an important
one. It can have a great effect on the popularity of the certification
program as well as revenue to the certification organization. But it is
complex and has many challenges.
> institutions should be certified by government or other organization.
>
>
> 1 - Why should Government be involved if they hardly know which is the
> right choice for technology and they are usually ruled by principles
> that are either corrupt or idealogically wrong? The only Organization
> involved should be the BSD Certification Group.
The best that could (and should) be desired is that governments endorse
the BSD-CG (or whatever its corporate entity is named) as an accepted
national standard. Pablo is right that governments may not always make
the best technology choices but they can accredit organizations which do.
Any certification is essentially the setting of a standard, and the
success of the certification is tightly bound to public acceptance and
_trust_ of that standard. The level of trust is governed by a number of
factors:
- The respectability and accountability of the governing body
- The process used to determine the objectives
- The perceived levels of security and corruptibility in delivery (is it
too easy to cheat?)
- The amount and (process for accepting) public input
- Endorsements from other respected organizations
IF the goal of the BSD-CG is to create a program that is recognized and
understood outside its community (for instance, by HR and IT managers
not familiar with BSD but who need to hire skilled practitioners), then
the above factors become important.
In IT, certification is not undertaken as a badge of honor. To most
people being tested, the cost of certification (and associated training)
is a career investment, and the end result must have a practical payoff
-- will being certified provide better access to jobs than not being
certified? If the answer is 'no', then the certification will not
survive no matter how well designed or well meaning.
To be certain, the value of certification in IT is itself frequently
under attack. The cause of this attack is the commercialization of most
IT certifications, even in some cases by non-profit groups (the CompTIA
family of A+, Server+, whatever+ comes to mind). A recent taste of this
debate can be found at Slashdot:
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/26/1739234&tid=187&tid=126&tid=4&tid=218
Back to the main subject:
Anyone can be a "BSD Training Centre", even today, unless someone tries
to assert "BSD" as a trademark, and I don't think it (the three letters
"BSD" alone) is trademarked. And such efforts would be country-specific,
unlike copyrights there are no international conventions on trademarks.
But i digress...
The issue is not "how to be a BSD training centre" but really "how will
the BSD-CG endorse training centres". This is a very complex issue, will
be different from country to country, and has a potential of being a
very big money maker, a way to expand the certification, and an easy way
to get sued.
Who trains the trainer? Who sets the standard for the trainer (beyond
certifying their BSD knowledge, which is supposedly being done anyway).
Who provides "approved" course materials? Who sets and enforces any
codes of conduct? Who helps to publicize and support training centres
that receive the endorsement? And how are academic institutions handled
different from commercial training centres? Most importantly, who pays
for all this infrastructure?
This issue is almost 100% removed from the actual task of making an
actual certification. It requires different skills and is very much a
business issue more than an educational one. Having said that, it can be
(and usually is) an integral and necessary part of popularizing the program.
- Evan
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