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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:40:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [BSDCert] Interesting Article
To: [email protected]
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For those who haven't come across it yet, some interesting perspectives in
this article:
http://tinyurl.com/83mmf
Feel free to discuss any points that apply to BSD certification.
Dru
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:01:19 +0200
From: patrick coeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] BSD certs - naming and content
To: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Does someone has a alternative address from Martin? I receive this error:
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
host a.mx.chaossolutions.org [209.216.77.5]: 553 Spam Received See:
http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?193.138.221.185
And I have a question for him...
Martin schreef:
>On Monday 12 September 2005 15:48, Martin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>>* basically every other task that a normal regular user does like
>>>setting up a workstation.
>>>
>>>
>>I think workstation/desktop should be separate. With a hundred users to a
>>server, there are many more issues, from printers to USB key-thumbs, to
>>people switching graphic and sound cards, lan cards etc. Supporting
>>workstation/desktop users is intense and deserves a separate cert for
>>greater specialisation.
>>
>>
>
>Some of what I have said is implied...which is not always a good thing.
>
>I've used Linux on the desktop since since 1997.
>
>I used BSD on kde on BSD for probably a couple of years. There is now Three
>BSD desktops (in no particular order):-
>
>a) pc-bsd - http://www.pcbsd.org/
>b) freesbie - http://www.freesbie.org/
>c) desktopbsd - http://www.desktopbsd.net/
>
>When you think of the support issues for dozens of notebooks, countless
>motherboards, graphics cards, sound cards, lan cards, printers, scanners, usb
>devices ie. all the basic items that users expect to work, multiply that by
>hundreds or thousands of users, that is a major support nightmare that
>requires highly trained and experienced desktop PC BSD personal.
>
>Why should Linux be the only alternative to windows on the desktop ???
>
>This, probably should #2 after basic user administration in the BSD certs, but
>really I don't see why Two or Three teams for that matter, couldn't create a
>plan, coursework and tests in parallel whilst sharing what the others are
>doing to prevent overlap.
>
>This is how any other organisations do it. Sharing core information as they
>go.
>
>Food for thought.
>
>Regards...Martin
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:11:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] BSD certs - naming and content
To: patrick coeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, patrick coeman wrote:
> host a.mx.chaossolutions.org [209.216.77.5]: 553 Spam Received See:
> http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?193.138.221.185
>
> And I have a question for him...
Send it to him using a different email relay (don't use
hosting1.euroaccess.nl).
Jeremy C. Reed
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:08:06 -0400
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [BSDCert] August Newsletter available
To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Just a quick note that the August edition of the newsletter is now available at
http://www.bsdcertification.org/news.htm .
For those who will be attending NYCBSDCon, see you in NYC tomorrow night and
Saturday :-)
Dru
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:43:48 +0200
From: "Axel S. Gruner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [BSDCert] Server down?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi,
today, the server was the whole day down. Whats the problem?
Axel
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:48:06 -0400
From: Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Server down?
To: "Axel S. Gruner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
* Axel S. Gruner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-16 10:38]:
>
> Hi,
>
> today, the server was the whole day down. Whats the problem?
>
Not sure right now. I'm seeing the same from USA.
There are two DNS entries www.bsdcertification.org
The 200.210.70.25 entry is the one not responding.
Unfortunately, that is where the Usage Survey is located at the moment.
We're working on the problem and hope to have a solution soon.
Best Regards,
Jim B.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:57:54 +0100
From: Nuno Duarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Server down?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
hi all,
i've got the same here for surveys.bsdcertification.org
prolly after the nybsdcon everything will get back to normal, because
there's a significant number of the BSD Certification Group Members that
are now attending the nycBSDcon. Let's wait a couple of hours and see
what happens.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:59:12 -0400
From: Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Server down?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
* Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-16 10:48]:
> * Axel S. Gruner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-16 10:38]:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > today, the server was the whole day down. Whats the problem?
> >
>
>
> Not sure right now. I'm seeing the same from USA.
>
The problem has been identified as a broken fiber channel.
Repairs are underway. Thanks for your understanding.
Jim B.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:13:05 -0400
From: Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Server down?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
* Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-16 15:59]:
> * Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-16 10:48]:
> > * Axel S. Gruner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-16 10:38]:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > today, the server was the whole day down. Whats the problem?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Not sure right now. I'm seeing the same from USA.
> >
>
> The problem has been identified as a broken fiber channel.
> Repairs are underway. Thanks for your understanding.
>
Server appears to be up now.
Jim B.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:28:18 +0200
From: "Axel S. Gruner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Server down?
To: Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
Hi Jim,
Am 16.09.2005 um 21:59 schrieb Jim Brown:
> The problem has been identified as a broken fiber channel.
> Repairs are underway. Thanks for your understanding.
;-)
No problem, i had the same problem with a broken fibre channel a few
weeks ago.
Axel
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:35:58 +0100
From: christiaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [BSDCert] Why Linux needs a mentor program
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I found an interesting article related to certification and wondered how
relevant it be to BSD certification? Should the details in the above
article on www.newsforge.com be included as certification criteria in
future exam development?
Chris
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 9:37:08 -0400
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Why Linux needs a mentor program
To: christiaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[email protected]>
Message-ID:
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> I found an interesting article related to certification and wondered how
> relevant it be to BSD certification? Should the details in the above
> article on www.newsforge.com be included as certification criteria in
> future exam development?
I assume you're referring to this article:
http://business.newsforge.com/business/05/09/13/1816200.shtml?tid=35
This is something the Group has considered for the "professional" (more
advanced) certification and ties in a little bit to the recent discussion on
pre-requisites (though that discussion was for the "associate" or less advanced
exam).
What does this list think of requiring the "professional" candidate to do more
than just pass an exam? As in, requiring another something such as:
- so many hours of involvement in one of the projects (assisting with docs,
advocacy, ports/packages, resolving bugs, etc.)
- so many hours of mentoring (either on lists, IRC, in one's local community,
in a user group, etc.)
- other (give suggestions here)
Dru
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:44:25 -0700
From: "Mike Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Why Linux needs a mentor program
To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
> This is something the Group has considered for the "professional" (more
> advanced) certification and ties in a little bit to the recent discussion
> on pre-requisites (though that discussion was for the "associate" or less
> advanced exam).
>
> What does this list think of requiring the "professional" candidate to do
> more than just pass an exam? As in, requiring another something such as:
>
> - so many hours of involvement in one of the projects (assisting with
> docs, advocacy, ports/packages, resolving bugs, etc.)
>
> - so many hours of mentoring (either on lists, IRC, in one's local
> community, in a user group, etc.)
>
> - other (give suggestions here)
If you go that route, you're no longer certifying proficiency, but other,
less tangible assets of dubious value both to the certificate holder and
current/potential employers. I know I wouldn't spend the money to certify
myself if it meant I also had to perform community service, or had to have
performed community service in the past.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:50:59 -0700
From: Atom Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BSDCert] Why Linux needs a mentor program
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I would love to see some sort of involvement requirement for the cert. Such
a requirement could depress the number of people that will take the exam
just for the title, making the cert more valuable while at the same time
improving BSD and adding to the community.
On 9/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> This is something the Group has considered for the "professional" (more
> advanced) certification and ties in a little bit to the recent discussion on
> pre-requisites (though that discussion was for the "associate" or less
> advanced exam).
>
> What does this list think of requiring the "professional" candidate to do
> more than just pass an exam? As in, requiring another something such as:
>
> - so many hours of involvement in one of the projects (assisting with
> docs, advocacy, ports/packages, resolving bugs, etc.)
>
> - so many hours of mentoring (either on lists, IRC, in one's local
> community, in a user group, etc.)
>
> - other (give suggestions here)
>
> Dru
>
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