ja elah, itu cerita lao zi ke han gu guan itu jg bikin sejarahwan lier en bin 
bengong huehehehehehe soale sebelon qin mana ada itu han gu guan 
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but ya itulah agama yonk , agama mane seh yg gak ada mitosnye ?
sebut aja satu dah

--- In budaya_tionghua@yahoogroups.com, "henyung" <heny...@...> wrote:
>
> Pertanyaan yang timbul:
> - Siapakah Laozi historis ? Benarkah dia adalah Li Dan pustakawan Zhou ?
> - Apakah teori Laozi adalah kumpulan tulisan dari berbagai filsuf yang
> sudah dikumpulkan sejak jaman dulu, dalam arti bahwa secara historis
> persona Laozi adalah gabungan dari beberapa orang ?
> 
> Berikutnya, beberapa catatan di Lun Yu tentang kemungkinan Kongzi
> berkunjung ke "Dan" (apakah Lao Dan ?)
> 
> http://vc.lib.harvard.edu/vc/deliver/~rubbings/olvwork297778
> 
> Rubbing from pictorial relief depicting the meeting between Confucius
> and Laozi; scenes are from the Wu Family Shrines, Jiaxiang, Shandong
> from 1st. year of Jianhe, Eastern Han Dynasty (147).
> 
> Title Confucius (the founder of Confucianism) meeting with Lao Zi (the
> founder of Daoism)Wu shi ci qian shi shi hou bi hou bi dong duan cheng
> yan shi hua xiang.Wu shi ci hua xiangWu shi ci shi shi hua xiangWu shi
> mu qun shi keWu Liang Ci hua xiangKongzi jian Laozi Name/Creator Wu
> Liang, 78-151, China, China, Warner, Langdon, 1881-1955, United States,
> United States, Confucius, 551 BC-479 BC, China, China, Laozi, 604-531
> B.C, China, China, VIA ID olvwork297778              
> <http://via.lib.harvard.edu/via/deliver/deepLink?_collection=via&recordI\
> d=olvwork297778>   Digital Object   [Confucius (the founder of
> Confucianism) meeting with Lao Zi (the founder of Daoism).   Wu shi ci
> qian shi shi hou bi hou bi dong duan cheng yan shi hua xiang.] 
> <http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:1065351?buttons=Y>  LocationHarvard
> Fine Arts Library, Special Collections; B-56 Creation Date 19th
> cent.-early 20th cent. Description 31 x 161 cmForm/Genrestill image
> rubbingsStyleEastern HanStyleMinguoStyleQingCultureChineseMaterials
> TypeinkMaterials TypepaperMaterials Typerelief Subject Wu Liang ci,
> Jiaxiang Xian, Shandong Sheng, China   ;    Confucianism   ;    Daoists
> ;    family   ;    shrine houses   ;    wall paintings   ;    human
> figures   ;    horse-drawn vehicles   ;    horses   ;    chariots
> Note Rubbing from pictorial relief depicting the meeting between
> Confucius and Laozi; scenes are from the Wu Family Shrines, Jiaxiang,
> Shandong from 1st. year of Jianhe, Eastern Han Dynasty (147).
> Citation/References: Zhongguo hua xiang shi quan ji, 2000, V. 1, pl. 59.
> / Chavanne, E. Mission archaeologique dans la chine septentrionale ; pl.
> 174. / Zhonghua shu xue da ci dian, 2000, p. 345 (Wu shi ci shi shi hua
> xiang).
> General note: Wu shi ci: Shrine of Wu Family, located north of
> Wuzhaishan Village, Zhifang Town, Jiaxiang County, Shandong Province,
> China. Wushi Shrine is one of the earliest examples of the offering
> shrines erected at the Wu family graves. The monuments were erected in
> the middle of 2nd century AD, buried due to Yellow River flooding, and
> were not fully discovered until 1786 by Huang Yi, a Qing sholar and high
> official. The shrine was a free-standing, peak-roofed structure. / Stone
> reliefs in the Wu Family Shrines were carved on the walls of the
> offering shrines, more than 40 engraved wall registers of slabs (16
> stabs in the front chamber- Wu Rong Shrine, 17 slabs in the left chamber
> and 6 slabs in the Wu Liang Shrine) ; 2 pillars and 2 stone lions also
> appear.
> Historical: Stele Date: 4th. day of 3rd. mo. of 1st. year of Jianhe,
> Eastern Han Dynasty (147).
>


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