Hello again and apologies for jumping the gun a bit.

After additional testing I found out that the server does indeed respond to 
clients before ntpctl
reports sync and stratum.
It does not claim stratum 1 (as I wrote in the message subject) but a stratum 
which is visible to
ntpctl -sa only after a while.
Explanation to my confusion: In my original message I suppose the vmt0 was not 
yet disabled and the
server thought it was stratum 1.

However, something remains:
Maybe treating vmt0 as a true GPS-like reference is the actual problem here and 
this should at least
be mentioned somewhere in the docs.
The clock from the VMware host is nowhere like a GPS reference and using it as 
reference should not
make the ntpd instance advertise itself like stratum 1.

Again, thank you for caring,
Florin 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Florin Vancea [mailto:fvan...@maxiq.ro]
> Sent: 27 mai 2020 17:03
> To: 'bugs@openbsd.org'
> Subject: ntpd claims stratum 1 on start, while still unsync
> 
> Hello and good day.
> 
> Unessential intro:
> My NTP systems are intentionally restricted from mailing out so I am posting 
> the bug on the email
> address instead of using sendbug.
> And I'm new to BSD world, even though I have more than a bit of experience 
> with Linux and stuff.
> I also did not find a bug reporting mechanism on OpenNTPD (except of the 
> portable part, which is
not
> what I have here).
> 
> *** Actual Problem ***
> I have found out (by merely watching "ntpctl -sa" on server and on client) 
> that ntpd (wrongly)
claims
> to be stratum 1 right after starting, during the period when it is 
> unsynchronized.
> It appears that it does serve NTP at some point during that unsync interval 
> and it claims to be
stratum
> 1. This misleads downstream clients to pick it as favorite and assign a long 
> refresh interval to
it.
> 
> My configuration is OpenBSD 6.7, recently upgraded from initial install of 
> 6.6.
> Syspatch returns immediately without any action so I suppose it is running 
> the latest versions.
> 
> I suppose the above description is enough for someone who knows the inside of 
> the OpenNTPD to
> identify the problem (if there is one).
> I think the server should return a very low stratum if unsync or maybe it 
> should reject entirely
any
> request unless it is sync and stable (at which time it should report a proper 
> stratum).
> 
> If additional detail is needed, I can try to add a cleaner cut with captured 
> commands output.
> 
> Or if nobody more able than me will pick this, maybe I'll push my coding 
> abilities to the
challenge, read
> the source and suggest directly a patch.
> 
> Thank you for caring,
> Florin



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