On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:57 AM, Steve Poole wrote:

> hi Kelly,
> 
> It's great to see these changes about to go mainstream. Really appreciate 
> everyones effort in making this happen.  I have a few questions though 
> (apologies if you've already answered them elsewhere) 
> 
> 1 -  What does 'a limited  time' mean when referring to being able to use the 
> old make file system?  

Not exactly sure, but as soon as our JDK8 Release Engineering team is 
completely off the old makefiles, and no other
team is dependent on them. That's a hard date to predict, but that would be the 
start date for decommission.

The overhead of keeping two different build systems working is pretty 
significant.

> 2 -  Do you plan to actively remove obsolete files?

Yes.

> 3-   If so, on what sort of timescale will these files be removed? 

Incremental, starting when we know teams no longer need the old makefiles, the 
above 'start date'.
Some of the files might be removed right away, like the corba/make, jaxp/make, 
and jaxws/make files.
The langtools/make files may remain until we have an ant script that uses the 
langtools/makefiles
or we have some kind of NetBeans solution for that team, if they don't have one 
already.
Some of the jdk/make files might go quickly, as will some of the top repo 
make/* files, but
we have some other Oracle jdk dependencies on some of these files so we need to 
craft a solution
to that dependency.

---
Let me know if that answers your questions.

-kto

> 
> Cheers
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 Jan 2013, at 05:07, Kelly O'Hair <kelly.oh...@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
>> Excuse the wide mailing, but it was important to try and reach anyone 
>> building jdk8.
>> 
>> The jdk8/build repositories at http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk8/build have 
>> been changed to use the new
>> build-infra "configure&make" build setup, so it is official, but it still 
>> needs to be integrated into the
>> main jdk8/jdk8 repositories at http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk8/jdk8. This is 
>> expected to happen
>> in 2 weeks.
>> 
>> A few bullet points:
>> 
>> * ANY changes to ANY make/ files from now until we integrate into jdk8/jdk8 
>> represents a risk, please talk to us first.
>> * Windows CYGWIN 1.7.16+ will be required, MKS will no longer work.
>> * This only applies to builds being done from the top repository, i.e. 
>> building the entire JDK
>> * Should be faster in all cases, however we have seen some cases where the 
>> benefit is slight, depends on the machine&disk used.
>> * The highly parallel building could swamp some systems, you may need to use 
>> "make JOBS=2" to dial it down
>> * For a limited time, the old Makefiles can still be used with "make 
>> NEWBUILD=false"
>> * Also for a limited time, people allergic to using "configure" can try 
>> "make bridgeBuild"
>> 
>> Please let us know about any issues you encounter, if you have access to JBS 
>> to file the issue please do so,
>> use component=infrastructure and subcomponent=build, and add the label 
>> "build-infra".
>> If you don't have access to JBS, provide us the details and we will file the 
>> issue for you.
>> 
>> -kto
>> 
> 

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