Dave,
Thanks... this is very exciting news.  It would appear that HL7 is proposed 
as the "parent" or central coordinating body for PMRI standards.  It also 
appears from the scopes/missions of the three specific SDOs mentioned, that 
a need may exist for a separate SDO (or perhaps a committee within HL7) to 
consider format and content standards for the [non-image] PMRI information 
that doctors and hospitals must collect and manage.  Would you agree... or 
is there already a designated committee working on this?

Regards,
Chris

At 08:30 PM 5/12/02 -0700, David A. Feinberg, C.D.P. wrote:
>Chris,
>
>Funny you should mention [way way below] standardizing electronic
>medical records. The National Committee on Vital and Health Statistics
>released their latest recommendations on this topic this past
>February.
>
>Following is a cut-and-paste from  www.ncvhs.hhs.gov/020227lt.htm.
>You'll note about a third of the way down that "NCVHS recommends that
>HL7 be recognized as the core PMRI standard and that DICOM, NCPDP
>SCRIPT and IEEE 1073 be recognized as standards for specific PMRI
>market segments."
>
>                     Dave Feinberg
>                     Rensis Corporation
>                     206-617-1717
>                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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>February 27, 2002
>
>The Honorable Tommy G. Thompson
>Secretary
>U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
>200 Independence Avenue, S.W.
>Washington, D.C., 20201
>
>Dear Secretary Thompson:
>
>As part of its responsibilities under the Health Insurance Portability
>and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), the National Committee on
>Vital and Health Statistics (NCVHS) was called upon to "study the
>issues related to the adoption of uniform data standards for patient
>medical record information [PMRI] and the electronic exchange of such
>information." NCVHS presented the results of studying these issues in
>a report to the HHS Data Council on August 9th, 2000 (enclosed). This
>report provided a framework to accelerate the development of PMRI
>standards and a set of guiding principles for the selection of
>specific PMRI standards. This letter sets forth recommendations for
>the first set of PMRI standards, which are limited to PMRI message
>format standards.
>
>Standards for PMRI are important because they will facilitate
>significant improvements in the quality of patient care, promote
>patient safety, control rising healthcare costs, enhance the
>productivity of clinical research and strengthen the nation's ability
>to identify and respond to healthcare emergencies. They are critical
>to the creation of a National Health Information Infrastructure.
>
>
>Process to Select PMRI Message Format Standards
>
>NCVHS used the following process for the selection of PMRI message
>format standards to obtain industry input from standards development
>organizations (SDOs), healthcare information system vendors, health
>care organizations and professional societies, and other users of
>these standards. First, the Committee adapted the PMRI guiding
>principles to make them more appropriate for the selection of message
>format standards. Next, the Committee incorporated the revised guiding
>principles into a questionnaire that was designed to help NCVHS
>evaluate the PMRI standards candidates in an objective manner.
>Finally, the Committee compiled, analyzed, and reviewed the SDOs'
>responses to the PMRI questionnaire. Additional information and
>perspective about the candidate PMRI standards were obtained via
>direct testimony from healthcare information system vendors and other
>users of these standards. This process continued from December 2000
>through February 2002.
>
>
>Guiding Principles Used as Criteria for Selection
>
>NCVHS recommendations for PMRI message format standards are selected
>from the responses to the PMRI questionnaire of six SDOs:
>
>   ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials)
>   DICOM (Digital Image Communications)
>   HL7 (Health Level Seven)
>   IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers)
>   NCPDP (National Council for Prescription Drug Programs) and
>   Object Management Group, Healthcare Domain Task Force
>
>The Committee emphasized the following four criteria derived from the
>PMRI guiding principles: the degree of market acceptance of the
>standard; the extent to which the standard enables interoperability
>between information systems; the ability of the standard to facilitate
>the comparability of data; and the aspects of the standard that
>support data quality, accountability and integrity. The criterion of
>market acceptance is helpful because it identifies those PMRI message
>format standards that are implementable, cost-justified and flexible
>enough to meet the needs of most of the relevant marketplace.
>
>
>Recognition of Current Standards and Incentives for Emerging Standards
>
>NCVHS has recognized the important role played by PMRI standards
>currently used by the healthcare industry. Because it has taken years
>for several of today's standards to achieve broad market acceptance,
>they are based on older conceptual models. Those models do not
>uniformly provide the high degree of interoperability and data
>comparability that are necessary to support significant improvements
>in healthcare cost, quality and productivity. To promote more rapid
>realization of these benefits in accordance with the prior
>recommendations in the PMRI report, NCVHS is recommending that HHS
>provide specific incentives to accelerate the development and early
>adoption of emerging PMRI standards as well as recognize current
>standards.
>
>
>Recommendations Encourage HHS Guidance and Incentives Rather Than
>Mandates
>
>NCVHS recommends that HHS set forth guidance for industry use of PMRI
>message format standards and migration to new versions, rather than
>create new federal regulations. NCVHS also recommends that the
>Secretary direct government agencies to follow this guidance by
>becoming early adopters of emerging PMRI standards, thereby serving as
>an example and as an incentive to the industry. NCVHS further
>recommends that HHS use its healthcare market position to promote and
>encourage the use of PMRI standards.
>
>
>NCVHS Recommendations for Specific PMRI Message Format Standards
>
>NCVHS recommends that HL7 be recognized as the core PMRI standard
>and that DICOM, NCPDP SCRIPT and IEEE 1073 be recognized as
>standards for specific PMRI market segments. The recommendations for
>all of these PMRI standards are set forth in a framework identifying
>which version of the standard should be considered as retired,
>current, or emerging.
>
>
>Core PMRI Message Format Standards
>
>Retired Standards
>
>NCVHS recommends that HHS recognize the following PMRI message
>format standard as retired.
>
>   Health Level Seven (HL7 v2.1)
>
>HHS Guidance to Government and Industry--Users should specify that no
>new products using this version of the HL7 standard be purchased or
>developed. Vendors and users should plan to upgrade any system using
>HL7 v2.1 to a current version of HL7.
>
>
>Current Standards
>
>NCVHS recommends that HHS recognize the following HL7 versions and
>transaction sets as the current PMRI message format standard.
>
>Health Level Seven (HL7 v2.2, v2.3, v2.4, and later v2.x)
>This includes standards for the following transaction sets:
>   Order Entry
>   Scheduling
>   Medical Record/Image Management
>   Patient Administration
>   Observation Reporting
>   Financial Management
>   Patient Care
>
>HHS Guidance to Government and Industry--HHS recognition of HL7
>versions 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 and later v2.x, as current standards means that
>vendors and users of these versions will not be asked to migrate to
>newer versions until the more advanced version is fully implementable
>with the supporting implementation guides and conformance tests.
>
>
>Emerging Standards
>
>NCVHS recommends that HHS recognize the following PMRI message
>format standard as an emerging standard based on its potential to
>provide superior levels of interoperability and data comparability.
>
>Health Level Seven (HL7 version 3)
>This includes standards for the following transaction sets:
>   v3 Administrative Management
>   v3 Health and Clinical Management
>   v3 Infrastructure Management
>
>Recommendation to HHS--NCVHS recommends that HHS provide
>incentives to accelerate the development and early adoption of HL7
>version 3 standards. These incentives should include but not
>necessarily be limited to the funding of publication of version 3
>implementation guides and the development of conformance tests, and
>the early adoption of version 3 standards by government agencies.
>
>HHS Guidance to Government and Industry--After the implementation
>guides and conformance tests are available and early adoption of HL7
>version 3 proves to be successful, additional HHS guidance to the
>industry will be forthcoming.
>
>
>Market Segment PMRI Message Format Standards
>
>Current Standards
>
>NCVHS recommends that HHS recognize the following as current PMRI
>market segment message format standards based on their market
>acceptance, ability to address specific market segment needs, and
>their cost effectiveness.
>
>Digital Imaging and Communications in Medicine (DICOM)--This standard
>supports retrieval of information from imaging devices/equipment to
>diagnostic and review workstations, and to short-term and long-term
>storage systems.
>NCPDP SCRIPT Standard--This standard communicates
>prescription information between prescribers and pharmacies. These
>transactions include new prescriptions, prescription refill requests,
>prescription fill status notifications, and cancellation
>notifications.
>
>HHS Guidance to Government and Industry--New users should adopt the
>latest versions of the DICOM and NCPDP SCRIPT PMRI market segment
>standards whenever possible.
>
>
>Emerging Standards
>
>NCVHS recommends that HHS recognize the following as an emerging
>PMRI market segment message format standard based on its potential for
>vendor acceptance and its anticipated ability to address specific
>market segment needs.
>
>IEEE 1073 (1.1.1, 1.2.1, 1.3, 2.1.1, 3.2)--This is a set of medical
>device communications standards also known as ISO 11073 standards.
>These standards communicate patient data from medical devices
>typically found in acute- and chronic-care environments (e.g., patient
>monitors, ventilators, infusion pumps, etc.).
>
>HHS Guidance to Government and Industry--Users should consider
>becoming early adopters of the IEEE 1073 medical device communication
>standard. HHS should encourage government agencies to pilot the use of
>this standard where appropriate.
>
>
>Harmonization among PMRI Message Format Standards
>
>NCVHS recommends that HHS encourage PMRI SDOs to share their data
>elements and data definitions with the U.S. Health Information
>Knowledgebase (a metadata registry). Additionally, HHS should
>encourage PMRI SDOs to continue their collaboration to reduce or
>eliminate duplicate or inconsistent data elements especially those for
>patient information. Furthermore, HHS should encourage PMRI SDOs to
>harmonize their data elements and data definitions for future versions
>so that they are consistent with the HL7 Reference Information Model
>(RIM).
>
>NCVHS also recommends that HHS provide funding to support PMRI
>SDO collaborative efforts toward harmonization.
>
>
>PMRI Standards for Future Consideration
>
>In this letter, NCVHS has limited its PMRI-specific recommendations to
>message format standards. The Committee plans to further investigate
>medical terminologies and code sets and will be forwarding additional
>recommendations to you. The Committee will also consider PMRI
>standards for clinical documents and the content and structure of
>patient records.
>
>NCVHS wishes to thank you for the opportunity to submit these
>recommendations within the framework of the Administrative
>Simplification Provisions of HIPAA.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>/s/
>
>John Lumpkin, M.D., M.P.H.
>Chair, National Committee on Vital and Health Statistics
>
>Cc: HHS Data Council Co-Chairs
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher J. Feahr, OD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Jan Root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:32 PM
>Subject: Re: Data Downloads from DDE Applications
>
>             <snip>
>
>Virtually all types of providers have a need to share information
>amongst themselves and to aggregate information about TREATMENT
>across the healthcare industry.  So while we would all benefit from
>standard medical record structures, etc., I don't think we want 15
>different provider groups "standardizing" medical record formats
>individually.  I'm not even sure which existing SDOs would want to
>tackle national EMR standardization.  Does anyone know who might be
>working on EMR standards now?
>
>             <snip>
>
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