parag i agree with you...releasing a cat in a place where it will not be able to find a mate and continue its cycle of life is not done nelson
--- On Fri, 25/11/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ButterflyIndia] Raising caterpillars To: "Butterfly India" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, 25 November, 2011, 3:15 PM By responsibility, I am sure Dr. Kalesh means not only tending to caterpillars but also from where one collects, where one releases etc. These days the crisp shot of a freshly emerged undamaged butterfly seems to be the motivation more than documenting the life cycle. Regards, ParagSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from !DEAFrom: kalesh s <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:29:35 -0800 (PST)To: [email protected]<[email protected]>ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ButterflyIndia] Raising caterpillars There should not be a debate on the number of caterpillars one can rear ,it depends on how much responsibility one can handle. Dr.Kalesh.S Thiruvananthapuram Phone: Mob:9447044498; Res: 0471-2444982 EMAIL: [email protected] My Blog: http://theskippersofkerala.blogspot.com/ From: Kedar Champhekar <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 25 November 2011 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ButterflyIndia] Raising caterpillars I agree with Peter that we should find out why so many caterpillars were used by that person. But talking about ethics, scientific studies are universal and should not be affected by any cultural differences so I think that point quite invalid. Scientific studies should follow certain ethics which can be varied only if there are some special problems regarding variations in the life cycles, habitat or the abundance of the butterfly and/or its foodplant across different species. Kedar On 25 November 2011 10:25, Peter Smetacek <[email protected]> wrote: Rohan, while i broadly agree with you, nevertheless there are cases where a large number of larvae might be required to settle a taxonomic question, to study infection rates, or something. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am afraid i missed the mail asking for the LFP, so why don't you first ask the person concerned why 35 larvae were taken? Perhaps there was more to it than one assumes? No point passing one sided judgements. As far as developing a protocol is concerned, government and sensationalists have done enough damage to the study of butterflies (see PRASHANTH MOHANRAJ K. VEENAKUMARI (2011) Butterflies of the Andaman and Nicobar islands: History of collection and checklist. Zootaxa 3050: 1–36). So I personally woud be chary of developing or imposing a one-size-fits-all protocol developed on "ethical" standards, since ethical standards vary widely between cultures, say, what is horrendous to a vegetarian Brahmin is perfectly fine by a lama or a shaman from the Himalaya...so whose ethics are you going to apply, especially in a land as varied as India? Peter On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:22:52 +0530 wrote > Dear Friends Few days ago we had an email regarding leaves required for Red Pierrot caterpillars. Said person collected 35+ caterpillars of Red Peirrot and ran out of leaves. I still didnt understand the thing of collecting 35 caterpillars. What is need of collecting so many caterpillars when u didnt have leaves to feed them. i really feel sad abt the fact that no one on our group has asked that person to leave the caterpillars on plant and rear only few caterpillars. Instead all of us shared host plant name with it. I think one or two caterpillars are sufficient for purpose of documentation. One might argue that many caterpillars die due to infection, parasites etc. I think all the people who are interested in documenting life cycles should think twice before collecting caterpillar from the field. As a community of Butterflyindia we should take some responsibilty towords conservation of butterflies.� Regards Rohan Lovalekar Follow Rediff Deal ho jaye! to get exciting offers in your city everyday. -- Enjoy
