Hi Lee, That�s really cool. I like it when people act positively and this is really what open source is about. Let me know what you need and I'll do my best to help you.
Thanks -Vincent > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Chalupa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: dimanche 22 ao�t 2004 11:43 > To: Cactus Users List > Subject: RE: How to write "testsuite server-side fixtures" > > Ok. First, we need to come up with > a better business model: one that works for you and others like yourself. > What's the long term value of burning your most important people out? If > we > can't find a better balance in this "exchange of value" it's just a matter > of > time before it's dead. I'll give this some more thought starting with > some > attributes of the typical Cactus user. I for one would > gladly pay some amount of money for responsive and useful support > especially > when I'm using the product in my development process. > > I'll put off my evaluation of the commercial product I'm looking at and > put that > effort into Cactus. > > Second, I'll help fix the documentation and work on providing other self > help > alternatives. A wiki might be part of the answer, I'd like to do some more > analysis to better understand the problem. > > First things first. I need help getting the product installed. I'll start > again > and post my progress and questions on the mailing list. > > I look forward to working with you. > > lee > > > > > Quoting Vincent Massol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hi Lee, > > > > Thanks for the effort in awakening me. However, I don't think I need a > wake > > up call. What I need is help. Help from others. I have been working on > > Cactus for more than 4 years now and I'm also participating to more and > more > > other open source products. I have always encouraged very positively any > > help. > > > > If you want to help (or anyone else for that matter), instead of saying > how > > to do X, Y, Z, point to where the documentation has flaws (and it has a > > lot). Even better, once you understand how it works, help fix the > > documentation! Do you know how many persons have submitted documentation > > patches over the past 4 years? (I'd say under 10). > > > > What you may not understand is that I don't care if you don't use > Cactus. > > It's your choice. If you have found another tool that is better and/or > that > > suits what you try to do better, then all the best! I'm not selling > > anything. > > > > I have personally created and used Cactus in the period 1998-2000 and > since > > then I have never used it. However, I've tried not to let anyone down > and > > I've continued to support it by answering to emails (I'm almost the only > one > > doing so BTW), fix bugs, and make some headway (albeit slowly as I have > some > > problems in working more than 18 hours per day). Several times I wanted > to > > stop but people kept coming and telling me that they liked it. So in > > deference to them, I've continued the work as much as I could. > > > > Whining almost never helps in open source. Helping does. You can help in > > several ways: answer to emails on the mailing list, help improve the > > documentation, fix one of the 30 or so outstanding bugs/feature > requests, > > find some persons interested in helping, etc. If at least you were > providing > > a solution... And there are solution. One of them that I have been > > contemplating for some time, is to move the Cactus doco to a Wiki so > that it > > lowers the bar of improving the documentation. But making the move is a > big > > task in itself and so far all the wikis I've seen were less good in > feature > > than the current site. Confluence is my current preferred choice but I > need > > to find the time to make the move. BTW, if you're interested in helping > I > > can give you hints on how to make that move. That would help. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lee Chalupa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: samedi 21 ao�t 2004 17:16 > > > To: Cactus Users List > > > Subject: RE: How to write "testsuite server-side fixtures" > > > > > > Vincent: > > > > > > I'm not trying to flame you or your associates Vincent but you need a > > > wakup call > > > when it comes to your documentation and the built-in complexity of > your > > > product. Your current approach just doesn't match your mission > statement. > > > Do > > > you really expect new users to spend days of high levels of > frustration to > > > get > > > your software installed? I might add that they are frustrating days > too. > > > It's > > > ironic that a tool that promotes testing hasn't devised tests that > would > > > help a > > > developer know if the software is deployed properly and if not, > provide > > > some > > > kind of clue where the problem is. As an alternative to Cactus, I'm > > > currently > > > evaluating an inexpensive software tool that provides similar > > > functionality to > > > cactus. It wasn't my first choice. I can report that it deployed > itself in > > > about 20 minutes start to finish. Done! As for your documentation, I > can > > > cite > > > many examples where the vagueness of your directions leaves enough > room > > > for > > > interpretation to drive a truck through the holes all the while you > state > > > in > > > your messages to users that you need to "follow the instructions > exactly": > > > my > > > point is there is no exactly to your documentation. > > > > > > > > > I know you and your associates are working hard and I commend you for > your > > > efforts. I have stopped short a number of times of giving you this > > > feedback but > > > in the end I don't think withholding feedback makes anything better. > > > Please > > > try to take my comments in the constructive manner that they were > meant. > > > > > > The good news is that there would be a whold bunch more developers > using > > > your > > > product if you can find a way to help them get started that doesn't > "raise > > > the > > > bar" over their heads. > > > > > > Good Luck. > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > Quoting Vincent Massol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > > > The following page > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/writing/howto_testcase.html says it > all > > > too > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Philemon Siclone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: mercredi 18 ao�t 2004 14:54 > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: How to write "testsuite server-side fixtures" > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > The title says it all (almost). I'd like to execute some code on > the > > > > > server-side before and after a set of (servlet)testcases is run. > At > > > the > > > > > moment I have written a (classic junit) testSuite containing the > > > > > servletTestCases, but the fixtures of this testSuite get executed > on > > > > > the client-side (obviously). > > > > > > > > > > It seems like a quite simple need but I could not find any answer > on > > > > > the cactus-website. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > (and sorry for my bad english) > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > PS: I do not use cactus-ant tasks for tests-execution : my IDE > does > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vous manquez d�espace pour stocker vos mails ? > > > > > Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! > > > > > Cr�ez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arriv� ! 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