Hi Rich,

On 03/12/09 18:44, Rich Reinhard wrote:
> All FYI,
>
> According to message 5 there is a new dependency on 
> SUNWisntalladm-tools pkg and it appears that this pkg 
> "SUNWauto-install-common" is currently not in the IPS repository as of 
> yet.

I assume that you are referring to either pkg.opensolaris.org/dev
or ipkg.sfbay/dev IPS repo ?

I think (I will let Clay correct me if I am wrong) that those changes
are synchronized and will become available in IPS repo in build
110. That means that SUNWinstalladm-tools in build 109 don't require
SUNWauto-install-common.
Or have you already hit some problem in that area ?

Cheers,
Jan

>
> We will continue to test the older bits but cannot update to latest 
> due to pkg dependency checks in our test code until this pkg has been 
> added to IPS.
>
> -Rich
>
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>>    1. Re: AI - tftp access violation (mary ding)
>>    2. Re: code review for bugs (Sanjay Nadkarni)
>>    3. Which sun4u systems should be able to use AI? (Andre Molyneux)
>>    4. Re: Which sun4u systems should be able to use AI? (mary ding)
>>    5. FLAG DAY: SUNWauto-install-common required for AI    clients and
>>       servers (Clay Baenziger)
>>    6. Re: FLAG DAY: SUNWauto-install-common required for AI clients
>>       and servers (Clay Baenziger)
>>    7. Re: code review for bugs (Dina)
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:11:24 -0700
>> From: mary ding <mary.ding at Sun.COM>
>> To: Jan Hlodan <Jan.Hlodan at Sun.COM>
>> Cc: caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org
>> Subject: Re: [caiman-discuss] AI - tftp access violation
>> Message-ID: <49B8532C.6020005 at Sun.COM>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Jan:
>>
>> For SUN internal users,you can find BIOS and OBP updates from here:
>>
>> http://sunsolve.central.sun.com/handbook_internal/
>>
>> For the W1100Z, there will be link to FLASH PROMPT and instructions 
>> on how to download the supplement CD iso and update the BIOS from that.
>>
>>
>> External is available here:
>>
>> http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/
>>
>> Jan Hlodan wrote:
>>  
>>> Hi Sundar,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the answer.
>>> I am sure tftp is working correctly. I can easy install machines.
>>> Anyway, here is the output:
>>>
>>> On the AI server machine (lepra.czech)
>>>
>>> lepra# tftp
>>> tftp> connect 10.16.22.13
>>> tftp> get menu.lst.x86_global_108
>>> Received 311 bytes in 0.1 seconds
>>> tftp>
>>>
>>>
>>> On erebos.czech:
>>>
>>> -bash-3.2$ tftp
>>> tftp> connect 10.16.22.13
>>> tftp> get menu.lst.x86_global_108
>>> Received 311 bytes in 5.0 seconds
>>> tftp>
>>>
>>> I'll try to find the latest BIOS version for this machine and 
>>> upgrade it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jan Hlodan
>>>
>>>
>>> Sundar Yamunachari wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Jan:
>>>>    You are getting DHCP response and it is trying to get the boot 
>>>> program (Defined by BootFile in DHCP macro). Can you check whether 
>>>> tftp is working on your install server? Please do the following on 
>>>> the install server.
>>>>
>>>> # tftp
>>>> tftp>  connect 10.16.22.13
>>>> tftp> get menu.lst.x86_global_108
>>>>
>>>> If you see it not successful, the your tftp setup has issues.
>>>>
>>>> - Sundar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan Hlodan wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>> Hello Mary,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for your interest!
>>>>> I'll check the BIOS and network driver tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan Hlodan
>>>>>
>>>>> mary ding wrote:
>>>>>        
>>>>>> Jan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not have any problem with installing AI on the W2100Z.  Can 
>>>>>> you check whether the BIOS is the latest updated one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I did see this error on a dell450 and mpc375 machine. I 
>>>>>> need to talk to boot team since this might be grub related. Stay 
>>>>>> tuned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mary ding wrote:
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>> Jan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me go and check this out on our W1100Z.  BTW, is the W1100Z 
>>>>>>> BIOS up to date ????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan Hlodan wrote:
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>> output:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DHCP MAC ADDR: 00 04 76 8E B8 4C
>>>>>>>> CLIENT IP: 10.16.22.205
>>>>>>>> MASK: 255.255.255.0
>>>>>>>> DHCP IP: 10.16.22.13
>>>>>>>> GATEWAY IP: 10.16.22.1
>>>>>>>> TFTP.
>>>>>>>> PXE-TO2: Access violation
>>>>>>>> TFTP.
>>>>>>>> PXE-TO2: Access violation
>>>>>>>> PXE-TO2: TFTP Error - Access violation
>>>>>>>> Network boot aborted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Macro:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sudo pntadm -P 10.16.22.0 | grep 10.16.22.205
>>>>>>>> 010004768EB84C  01      10.16.22.205    10.16.22.10     
>>>>>>>> Forever         010004768EB84C  jihlava
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sudo dhtadm -P | grep 010004768EB84C
>>>>>>>> 010004768EB84C          Macro           
>>>>>>>> :Subnet=255.255.255.0:Router=10.16.22.1:Broadcst=10.16.22.255:BootSrvA=10.16.22.13:BootFile=x86_global_108:GrubMenu=menu.lst.x86_global_108:Timeserv=10.16.22.13:LeaseTim=86400:LeaseNeg:DNSdmain=czech.sun.com:DNSserv=10.16.22.11:UTCoffst=3600:
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan Hlodan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/10/09 20:07, Jan Hlodan wrote:
>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems that the problem is with validating within the TFTP 
>>>>>>>>> protocol
>>>>>>>>> when machine boots from net (via PXE protocol) and tries to 
>>>>>>>>> get macro
>>>>>>>>> from DHCP server.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's just typical for Sun W1100z machine. All other x86 
>>>>>>>>> machines in our
>>>>>>>>> lab (more than 10) can validate TFTP and get macro.
>>>>>>>>> The macro is correct for 100%.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did anybody successfully install Sun W1100z?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan Hlodan
>>>>>>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:15:17 -0600
>> From: Sanjay Nadkarni <Sanjay.Nadkarni at Sun.COM>
>> To: Dina <dina.nimeh at Sun.COM>
>> Cc: caiman-discuss <caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org>,    Moinak Ghosh
>>     <moinakg at belenix.org>, Juergen Keil <jrgn.keil at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [caiman-discuss] code review for bugs
>> Message-ID: <49B85415.5050601 at sun.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> On 03/11/09 14:44, Dina wrote:
>>  
>>> Juergen Keil wrote:
>>>    
>>>> 2009/3/11 Dina <dina.nimeh at sun.com>:
>>>>       
>>> ...
>>>    
>>>>> Now you turn it back on by setting the value back to 1.  The segment
>>>>> that is already cached is still sitting there.  What happens to it?
>>>>>         
>>>> It will be reused, in case the next lofi read will result in a 
>>>> cache hit.
>>>>
>>>> Since compressed lofi only works in read/only mode, the cached
>>>> uncompressed data is still valid.
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> Ah, it's read-only, ok.
>>>
>>>    
>>>> # lofiadm -a `pwd`/solaris.zlib /dev/lofi/5
>>>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rlofi/5 count=2
>>>> write: Read-only file system
>>>> 1+0 records in
>>>> 1+0 records out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, but why does the following work using the lofi block device?
>>>> Seems to be another bug...  I'd expect that this get s a EROFS 
>>>> error, too.
>>>>
>>>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/lofi/5 count=2
>>>> 2+0 records in
>>>> 2+0 records out
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> I don't know if this is related to an existing bug:
>>> 6717722 lofi must not write to R/O file systems
>>>
>>>    
>>>>> It releases the memory at unmap time, is unmapping the file a 
>>>>> guaranteed
>>>>> event at this point?  If not, then does this lead to a stale 
>>>>> segment in
>>>>> the cache?
>>>>>         
>>>> No, patching / changing the lofi_max_comp_cache variable doesn't
>>>> result in unmapping the file (that is calling lofi_free_handle(()).
>>>> You would have to use lofiadm -d and close all references to the
>>>> /dev/lofi/N file to get the cache memory released.
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> Did not mean that changing lofi_max_comp_cache unmaps the file, I know
>>> that.  Rephrasing:  "Lofi releases the memory at unmap time, ok, 
>>> however
>>> what guarantees that an unmap happens between the time the caching is
>>> disabled and the time the caching is re-enabled?"
>>>
>>> It seems the answer is related to the compressed lofi being read-only.
>>> Inconsistency is not an issue, is that correct?
>>>
>>>    
>>>> Hmm, you could construct a case with attaching a compressed lofi file,
>>>> and write to the underlying vnode.
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>>> Do we really need code to shrink the lofi decompress cache at 
>>>>>> runtime?
>>>>>>           
>>>>> I think I understand that 1 cached segment gives a nice boost.  
>>>>> And that
>>>>> the improvement is probably not linear. At some point it doesn't 
>>>>> matter
>>>>> if you have 5 or 10 for your max cache size, the incremental 
>>>>> performance
>>>>> improvement may no longer be noticeable.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why I asked what would happen if I set it 10240.  Would it 
>>>>> really
>>>>> grow to 10240, or would it cut me off somewhere and not grow 
>>>>> anymore, to
>>>>> prevent running out of heap?
>>>>>         
>>>> It would grow to 10240 cached segments.
>>>>       
>>> Is there any value to put a hard limit on how big lofi_max_comp_cache
>>> can ever be?
>>>     
>> Juergen:  I believe what Dina is asking for is to limit the size of 
>> the cache to prevent tunable  from sucking up all the heap.
>>
>> -Sanjay
>>
>>  
>>> D.
>>>     
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:02:28 -0600
>> From: Andre Molyneux <Andre.Molyneux at Sun.COM>
>> To: caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org
>> Subject: [caiman-discuss] Which sun4u systems should be able to use
>>     AI?
>> Message-ID: <49B86D34.2080009 at sun.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I understand that only certain sun4u systems are capable of
>> using the WAN-boot that's necessary in order to boot off of
>> an AI server.  Is this correct, and if so does this mean
>> that we need to lay hands on specific machine types (e.g.
>> Ultra 45) or are there workarounds than can be used with
>> sun4u machines in general?
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:16:31 -0700
>> From: mary ding <mary.ding at Sun.COM>
>> To: Andre Molyneux <Andre.Molyneux at Sun.COM>
>> Cc: caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org
>> Subject: Re: [caiman-discuss] Which sun4u systems should be able to
>>     use AI?
>> Message-ID: <49B8707F.1040702 at Sun.COM>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Andre:
>>
>> Currently we only support sun4u systems that are capable of using 
>> wanboot with network-boot-arguments arguments. YOu can find out by 
>> running eeprom.  This is supported on all sun4v. For sun4u, I know 
>> they are supported on ultra45, sb2500, sb100, sb150, v215, v245, 
>> v480, v240 ... etc.  As long as the OBP is 4.17.1 or higher, they 
>> will work.
>>
>>   For other sun4u systems that is not capable of doing wanboot from 
>> network, there are bugs in wanboot itself.  After the wanboot bugs 
>> are fixed, we will need to try to see whether it is possible to get 
>> those other sun4u machine to work with AI. This will not be ready for 
>> 2009.1H.
>>
>> 6797441 - wanboot fails to configure network device when booted from 
>> media
>> 6805094 -  wanboot install from snv and s10u6/s10u7_04 fails after 
>> loading miniroot.
>>
>> I will suggest that you add yourself to the bug interest lists. There 
>> will be bug fixes available later and then we can try to come up with 
>> some workaround to see whether they will work.
>>
>> Andre Molyneux wrote:
>>  
>>> I understand that only certain sun4u systems are capable of
>>> using the WAN-boot that's necessary in order to boot off of
>>> an AI server.  Is this correct, and if so does this mean
>>> that we need to lay hands on specific machine types (e.g.
>>> Ultra 45) or are there workarounds than can be used with
>>> sun4u machines in general?
>>>
>>> Andre
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/caiman-discuss
>>>     
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:33:34 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: Clay Baenziger <clayb at sun.com>
>> To: caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org
>> Subject: [caiman-discuss] FLAG DAY: SUNWauto-install-common required
>>     for AI    clients and servers
>> Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0903112113440.5170 at xsplat>
>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Hi all,
>>      For those of you building AI images based on the latest 
>> slim_source or updating your AI servers with the latest 
>> SUNWinstalladm-tools, you will hit an issue due to bug ID 7305. 
>> Everyone else can ignore this.
>>
>>      The impact of not having SUNWauto-install-common installed is 
>> breaking installadm(1) for an AI server, or breaking the AI install 
>> process for an AI client. The signature for a broken AI client is the 
>> AI service failing and in the SMF log a Python ImportError:
>>      ImportError: No module named auto_install.ai_get_manifest
>>
>>      The work around for an AI server, is to ensure 
>> SUNWauto-install-common is installed when using any 
>> SUNWinstalladm-tools made after 03/09 19:05 MT or changeset 467.
>>
>>      The work around for generating an AI image, is to ensure 
>> SUNWauto-install-common is installed on the image. This can be done 
>> with a finalizer script in the DC manifest which installs the SysV 
>> version of SUNWauto-install-common.
>>
>>      Steps:
>>
>>      Download the finalizer script from:
>>      
>> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/frosug/meetings/frosug-090226-SysVFinalizer.sh
>>  
>>
>>
>>      Create the finalizer's config file:
>>      echo 'PKG_PATH=<absolute path to 
>> slim_source>/packages/i386/nightly-nd/\
>>      SUNWauto-install-common' > /tmp/pkgs_to_add
>>
>>      Add this block into your DC manifest as the first finalizer script
>>      (right below the <finalizer> XML section):
>>      <script name="<absolute path to pkg_finalizer.ksh script>">
>>              <checkpoint
>>                      name="sysV_pkg_add"
>>                          message="Add sysV packages"/>
>>          </script>
>>
>>                              Thank you,
>>                              Clay
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:18 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: Clay Baenziger <clayb at sun.com>
>> To: caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org
>> Subject: Re: [caiman-discuss] FLAG DAY: SUNWauto-install-common
>>     required for AI clients and servers
>> Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0903112134450.5170 at xsplat>
>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> My apologies, the bug ID tracking this issue is 7266, not 7305.
>>                              Thank you,
>>                              Clay
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Clay Baenziger wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>>     For those of you building AI images based on the latest 
>>> slim_source or updating your AI servers with the latest 
>>> SUNWinstalladm-tools, you will hit an issue due to bug ID 7305. 
>>> Everyone else can ignore this.
>>>
>>>     The impact of not having SUNWauto-install-common installed is 
>>> breaking installadm(1) for an AI server, or breaking the AI install 
>>> process for an AI client. The signature for a broken AI client is 
>>> the AI service failing and in the SMF log a Python ImportError:
>>>     ImportError: No module named auto_install.ai_get_manifest
>>>
>>>     The work around for an AI server, is to ensure 
>>> SUNWauto-install-common is installed when using any 
>>> SUNWinstalladm-tools made after 03/09 19:05 MT or changeset 467.
>>>
>>>     The work around for generating an AI image, is to ensure 
>>> SUNWauto-install-common is installed on the image. This can be done 
>>> with a finalizer script in the DC manifest which installs the SysV 
>>> version of SUNWauto-install-common.
>>>
>>>     Steps:
>>>
>>>     Download the finalizer script from:
>>>     
>>> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/frosug/meetings/frosug-090226-SysVFinalizer.sh
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>     Create the finalizer's config file:
>>>     echo 'PKG_PATH=<absolute path to 
>>> slim_source>/packages/i386/nightly-nd/\
>>>     SUNWauto-install-common' > /tmp/pkgs_to_add
>>>
>>>     Add this block into your DC manifest as the first finalizer script
>>>     (right below the <finalizer> XML section):
>>>     <script name="<absolute path to pkg_finalizer.ksh script>">
>>>            <checkpoint
>>>                    name="sysV_pkg_add"
>>>                        message="Add sysV packages"/>
>>>        </script>
>>>
>>>                             Thank you,
>>>                             Clay
>>>
>>>     
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:44:57 -0700
>> From: Dina <dina.nimeh at sun.com>
>> To: Juergen Keil <jrgn.keil at googlemail.com>
>> Cc: caiman-discuss <caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org>,    Moinak Ghosh
>>     <moinakg at belenix.org>
>> Subject: Re: [caiman-discuss] code review for bugs
>> Message-ID: <49B822C9.9080900 at sun.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>
>>
>> Juergen Keil wrote:
>>  
>>> 2009/3/11 Dina <dina.nimeh at sun.com>:
>>>     
>> ...
>>  
>>>> Now you turn it back on by setting the value back to 1.  The segment
>>>> that is already cached is still sitting there.  What happens to it?
>>>>       
>>> It will be reused, in case the next lofi read will result in a cache 
>>> hit.
>>>
>>> Since compressed lofi only works in read/only mode, the cached
>>> uncompressed data is still valid.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> Ah, it's read-only, ok.
>>
>>  
>>> # lofiadm -a `pwd`/solaris.zlib /dev/lofi/5
>>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rlofi/5 count=2
>>> write: Read-only file system
>>> 1+0 records in
>>> 1+0 records out
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm, but why does the following work using the lofi block device?
>>> Seems to be another bug...  I'd expect that this get s a EROFS 
>>> error, too.
>>>
>>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/lofi/5 count=2
>>> 2+0 records in
>>> 2+0 records out
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> I don't know if this is related to an existing bug:
>> 6717722 lofi must not write to R/O file systems
>>
>>  
>>>> It releases the memory at unmap time, is unmapping the file a 
>>>> guaranteed
>>>> event at this point?  If not, then does this lead to a stale 
>>>> segment in
>>>> the cache?
>>>>       
>>> No, patching / changing the lofi_max_comp_cache variable doesn't
>>> result in unmapping the file (that is calling lofi_free_handle(()).
>>> You would have to use lofiadm -d and close all references to the
>>> /dev/lofi/N file to get the cache memory released.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> Did not mean that changing lofi_max_comp_cache unmaps the file, I know
>> that.  Rephrasing:  "Lofi releases the memory at unmap time, ok, however
>> what guarantees that an unmap happens between the time the caching is
>> disabled and the time the caching is re-enabled?"
>>
>> It seems the answer is related to the compressed lofi being read-only.
>> Inconsistency is not an issue, is that correct?
>>
>>  
>>> Hmm, you could construct a case with attaching a compressed lofi file,
>>> and write to the underlying vnode.
>>>
>>>    
>>>>> Do we really need code to shrink the lofi decompress cache at 
>>>>> runtime?
>>>>>         
>>>> I think I understand that 1 cached segment gives a nice boost.  And 
>>>> that
>>>> the improvement is probably not linear. At some point it doesn't 
>>>> matter
>>>> if you have 5 or 10 for your max cache size, the incremental 
>>>> performance
>>>> improvement may no longer be noticeable.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I asked what would happen if I set it 10240.  Would it 
>>>> really
>>>> grow to 10240, or would it cut me off somewhere and not grow 
>>>> anymore, to
>>>> prevent running out of heap?
>>>>       
>>> It would grow to 10240 cached segments.
>>>     
>>
>> Is there any value to put a hard limit on how big lofi_max_comp_cache
>> can ever be?
>>
>> D.
>>
>>
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