Hi Frank, Regardless of what languages for desktop l10n and installer l10n are available on live CD in May release, our plan is to include all UTF-8 locales, 74 locales (43 languages with several variants such as en_<territory>.UTF-8, es_<territory>.UTF-8) in the live CD.
So, we want to make it possible for users to login with their preferable locale during live boot from the beginning without letting users logout and login again through gdm locale selection. BTW, if user re-login with different locale selection, I guess your scenario may confuse users. A straightforward way for this issue is to disable the automatic login. Then, users will be able to select a locale via gdm from the beginning and the installer can simply rely on the current running locale for the default language setting. If installer l10n is available for the current locale, the installer UI will be localized. If not, it will be fall back to English UI. (As Shinobu pointed out, English is not always the second language for everyone. So, if installer has its own UI lang selection, it would be more better.) If disabling the automatic login is not acceptable, is it possible to make all UTF-8 locales available in language menu that you are going to add? This is the question Takeshi asked. Thanks, Fuyuki Frank Ludolph wrote: > Hi Takeshi, > > Apologies for the lack of clarity. The startup language question > referred to is asked only during LiveCD boot. It's primary purpose is to > set the desktop language. The installer will utilize this setting for > both the language displayed by the installer and for setting the default > language (but not locale) of the system it installs (which will *not* > ask a language question during startup). For the first release the list > of languages is be limited, due to CD space considerations, to the > eleven languages for which the installer has been localized. > > Note that the login screen is not displayed when the LiveCD boots so > there is no opportunity for the user to change the language in GDM when > using the LiveCD, so the system must explicitly ask the question > sometime before the desktop appears. In the future, if we change to a > newer version of GRUB, e.g. the one used by Ubuntu, there are GRUB > screen options to set the language and keyboard so we would not have to > explicitly ask during LiveCD startup. > > The installed system will display the login screen of course, and the > user will be able to use the Option button in GDM to select language/locale. > > Frank > > > Takeshi Asano wrote: >> Hi Frank, >> >> Can I understand that the language menu become available before the >> desktop starts will show not only languages with translations >> but also those without translations, like gdm's one does? >> >> The initial language menu used in Solaris miniroot was >> mainly for installer but the one currently being >> considered is for live session desktop. >> >> Thanks, >> Takeshi >> >> Frank Ludolph wrote: >>> It appears that we will be able to include more than just English in >>> the first release, but not all of the (39?) languages that GNOME has >>> been localized for, at least not yet. The current target for this >>> release is to include, at most, the eleven languages that the >>> installer will be localized for. This means that we need only as one >>> language question during startup, the installer will run in that >>> language, and that language will be the primary language for the >>> installed system. >>> >>> I will add a text-based language screen to the mockup immediately >>> following the keyboard question. It will essentially be the same as >>> for past installers, very similar in structure to the keyboard question. >>> >>> Ideally the default language should be based on the selected keyboard >>> when the default is obvious, i.e., if the keyboard is Korean, then >>> the default language would be Korean. If the selected keyboard >>> indicates a unsupported language then English is probably the best >>> language default. >>> >>> Looking past this release, I would really like to see us use a >>> version of GRUB that allows the user to set the language and keyboard >>> through F-key options on the GRUB screen and remove the startup text >>> messages we are using this release. >>> >>> If/when the LiveCD can hold more languages than the installer has >>> been localized for, the installer will need to add a new Welcome >>> screen that allows the user to select the desired language for >>> installation - the installer should be able to switch languages w/o >>> restarting. The desktop language would be the default language for >>> the installed system. Note that is very easy for a user to change >>> his/her default language at login should the default set by the >>> installer not be the one desired by the user. >>> >>> Frank >>> _______________________________________________ >>> caiman-discuss mailing list >>> caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/caiman-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > caiman-discuss mailing list > caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/caiman-discuss
