Doctrine was mentioned sometimes. I also think it would be a great idea to use this ORM for doing all the crazy DB things. There is no need for a self implementation because doctrine works very well by now. I like the "code first" approach in doctrine and i'm really missing this in cakephp to write the model and generate the database. Doctrine has also options to generate migration files for differences in database tables and models during the development process. I mean this features should bbe used in future. greets pete
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