Joe, 
I wasn't saying to remove all validation, but to add the method that allows 
you to not specify a value for the field.
            ->allowEmpty('name','update')
            ->allowEmpty('requires_value','update')
            ->allowEmpty('acttive','update')

If you add these lines to your validation, it should fix the problem 
allowing you to patch the entity specifying only the Id for the attribute 
and allowing cake to properly add the join data so as to save the 
listingsAttributes.
This will retain the validation for adding and editing attributes  but 
allow you to not specify every field when updating.

That is what I was trying to get across in my previous post...

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 3:08:28 AM UTC+7, Joe T. wrote:
>
> Kevin, 
> i can do that, but it doesn't make sense to me. i don't want my Listing to 
> make any changes to the Attributes, so why is it attempting to do so? If i 
> disable validation for updates, they won't be validated when the admin 
> actually DOES edit an Attribute. 
>
> Maybe a full end-to-end association isn't what i want here? 
>
> If i want my data save to stop at ListingsAttributes, what would that look 
> like in the form & Controller? Is it even possible? i made a couple 
> half-hearted attempts at it, but didn't get anywhere.

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