Ok but what if you needed to add more attributes besides the id? Also
what would you do when you need to echo PHP variables and loops within
a div?
On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Evan R. Murphy" <evanrmur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My three reasons are less characters (-> file size)...
>
> To be sure, seeking fewer characters was the impetus for my original
> post. I wanted to eliminate the "$html->" boilerplate from all my
> calls to HtmlHelper. div('foo', 'bar') is shorter than <div
> class="foo">bar</div>. :)
>
> The HTML filesize is equal or greater, but the source filesize is
> less.
>
> Evan
>
> On Sep 19, 11:39 pm, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit
>
> <jeremybu...@classoutfit.com> wrote:
> > I guess this could ramble on for ever and who really cares anyway. My three
> > reasons are less characters (-> file size), code performance and
> > readability/maintainability. I don't think I'm mistaken for a heartbeat.
> > Performance might not be *the* reason you shouldn't do this, but it is a
> > factor.
>
> > Jeremy Burns
> > Class Outfit
>
> > jeremybu...@classoutfit.comhttp://www.classoutfit.com
>
> > On 20 Sep 2010, at 03:04, nurvzy wrote:
>
> > > You're mistaken.
>
> > > While i agree its overkill using the helper for basic markup,
> > > performxe wise its negligible at worse, no difference at best. This
> > > is because you are already loading php as a module, youre already
> > > loading the html helper and your ctp is being parsed through the php
> > > interpreter. Performance is not the reason you should code it in html
> > > in thia case, its the maintainability of it. Only a cakephp programmer
> > > will undersand what youre doing. If you work in any team based
> > > environments your boss would scuff and throw that back in your face
> > > because a designer will have no idea what to do with it.
>
> > > Clean and readable code is important.
>
> > > Hope that helps,
> > > Nick
>
> > > On Sep 19, 12:55 am, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit
> > > <jeremybu...@classoutfit.com> wrote:
> > >> Nope - it's a great tool but in my opinion (and other experienced Cake
> > >> developers too, it seems) it has to be used with caution. Just because
> > >> it CAN do some things doesn't mean that you HAVE to use them. I can't
> > >> see any sense in doing this:
>
> > >> <?php echo $this->Html->tag('div', $this->html->tag('h1', 'Here is my
> > >> heading.', array('class' => 'main-heading')), array(class =>
> > >> 'my-class')); ?>
>
> > >> ...when this does the same thing:
>
> > >> <div class="my-class"><h1 class="main-heading">Here is my
> > >> content.</h1></div>
>
> > >> Its less characters, easier to read (especially for non-Cake people) and
> > >> it doesn't use the component (so will perform better).
>
> > >> So if you have conceded on the performance angle, why would you still
> > >> want to code this up? If wrap the html helper code up in another wrapper
> > >> you are just adding complexity and slowing everything down. I don't have
> > >> any data, but I'd bet that straight html beats coded html in any race.
>
> > >> It definitely has its uses; but to a man with a hammer in his hands
> > >> everything looks like a nail.
>
> > >> No attitude on my part; just passing on my opinion. Sharing is caring.
>
> > >> Jeremy Burns
> > >> Class Outfit
>
> > >> jeremybu...@classoutfit.comhttp://www.classoutfit.com
>
> > >> On 19 Sep 2010, at 07:28, Evan R. Murphy wrote:
>
> > >>> I had already conceded that there may be performance issues with this
> > >>> approach, I just wanted more data on the severity of it. I'll do some
> > >>> profiling myself, but if anyone has knowledge about this they can
> > >>> share, I'd really appreciate it.
>
> > >>> I'm puzzled by this attitude I'm reading (perhaps I'm misreading?)
> > >>> that it's a ridiculous proposition to use the HtmlHelper. The thing
> > >>> ships with CakePHP, and it's promoted pretty heavily in the Cookbook.
> > >>> If it's such a bad tool, isn't this at least a common misunderstanding
> > >>> among new Cake programmers?
>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Evan
>
> > >>> On Sep 19, 12:30 am, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit
> > >>> <jeremybu...@classoutfit.com> wrote:
> > >>>> You are focussing your efforts in the wrong place. Your time spent
> > >>>> pressing keys on the keyboard is a fraction of the time that your code
> > >>>> will be rendered across the interweb. If you have a library that you
> > >>>> are loading up which in turn loads up a component and then runs some
> > >>>> functions just to output a simple <div class="foobar"></div> statement
> > >>>> you are introducing massive overhead at run time (caching and so on
> > >>>> set aside). What is the problem with just doing the job right in the
> > >>>> first place, or even better using an IDE that helps you with this
> > >>>> shortcuts?
>
> > >>>> To build a good program the efficiency has to be in the finished
> > >>>> product, not in use of your time.
>
> > >>>> Jeremy Burns
> > >>>> Class Outfit
>
> > >>>> jeremybu...@classoutfit.comhttp://www.classoutfit.com
>
> > >>>> On 19 Sep 2010, at 02:58, Evan R. Murphy wrote:
>
> > >>>>> On Sep 18, 7:50 pm, cricket <zijn.digi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Better to extend HTMLHelper.
>
> > >>>>> I like that idea. Could you help me understand how you might extend
> > >>>>> HtmlHelper to make available these global functions (or perhaps even
> > >>>>> better, put them in some kind of namespace)? I'm new to PHP, so it
> > >>>>> wasn't clear to me how to write such functions in a class. Public
> > >>>>> methods seem to be the default.
>
> > >>>>> Thank you,
> > >>>>> Evan
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