Changing the title of the thread. Pete Heist <petehe...@gmail.com> writes:
> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Jonathan Morton <chromati...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > An important factor when designing the test is the difference between > intra-flow and inter-flow induced latencies, as well as the baseline > latency. > > In general, AQM by itself controls intra-flow induced latency, while flow > isolation (commonly FQ) controls inter-flow induced latency. I consider > the > latter to be more important to measure. > > Intra-flow induced latency should also be important for web page load time and > websockets, for example. Maybe not as important as inter-flow, because there > you’re talking about how voice, videoconferencing and other interactive apps > work together with other traffic, which is what people are affected by the > most > when it doesn’t work. > > I don’t think it’s too much to include one public metric for each. People are > used to “upload” and “download”, maybe they’d one day get used to “reactivity” > and “interactivity”, or some more accessible terms. Well, what I proposed was using a pfifo as the reference standard, and "FQ" as one metric name against pfifo 1000/newstuff. That normalizes any test we come up with. > > Baseline latency is a factor of the underlying network topology, and > is > the type of latency most often measured. It should be measured in the > no-load condition, but the choice of remote endpoint is critical. Large > ISPs > could gain an unfair advantage if they can provide a qualifying endpoint > within their network, closer to the last mile links than most realistic > Internet services. Conversely, ISPs are unlikely to endorse a measurement > scheme which places the endpoints too far away from them. > > One reasonable possibility is to use DNS lookups to randomly-selected > gTLDs > as the benchmark. There are gTLD DNS servers well-placed in essentially > all > regions of interest, and effective DNS caching is a legitimate means for > an > ISP to improve their customers' internet performance. Random lookups > (especially of domains which are known to not exist) should defeat the > effects of such caching. > > Induced latency can then be measured by applying a load and comparing the > new latency measurement to the baseline. This load can simultaneously be > used to measure available throughput. The tests on dslreports offer a > decent > example of how to do this, but it would be necessary to standardise the > load. > > It would be good to know what an average worst case heavy load is on a typical > household Internet connection and standardize on that. Windows updates for > example can be pretty bad (many flows). My mental reference has always been family of four - Mom in a videoconference Dad surfing the web Son playing a game Daughter uploading to youtube (pick your gender neutral roles at will) + Torrenting or dropbox or windows update or steam or ... A larger scale reference might be a company of 30 people. > > DNS is an interesting possibility. On the one hand all you get is RTT, but on > the other hand your server infrastructure is already available. I use the > dslreports speedtest pretty routinely as it’s decent, although results can > vary > significantly between runs. If they’re using DNS to measure latency, I hadn’t > realized it. > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake _______________________________________________ Cake mailing list Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake