I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a very powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues.
I might spend a slide on it at this conference, but it deserves more focus than that. On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Pete Heist <p...@heistp.net> wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Dave Taht <dave.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Try as I might, finding a memorable narrative hook to fit into 20 > minutes eludes me. There's so much to cake! There's no room for me to > break out a guitar or carry a case of water bottles into this press. > > > To me, explaining this stuff is about trying to connect the technology with > relatable human experience, and asserting/showing that the continued focus > on throughput is misplaced. Is this audience already aware of that, or not? > Maybe test them up front to see how much you need to talk about it. If you > assume they know this and they don’t, the blank stares will start a minute > or two into the talk... > > If at least some people in the audience need an explanation, or even if you > just want to hammer it home, for this type of crowd (should at least be > somewhat technical), why not make an analogy with the “Megahertz myth”? That > finally died in 2005 with the Pentium Extreme Edition (with the “Extreme” > part not describing its speed, but rather its flirtation with thermal > limits), when AMD came out with a “slower” CPU that was actually faster. > Finally there was an awareness that ah, it’s not just clock speed, it’s > pipelines, it’s caching, it’s branch prediction, it’s the instruction set, > it’s…complicated, and there’s no getting around it. > > Let’s start arguing that there’s an analogous “Megabit myth” that has no > Wikipedia page yet because it persists to this day. Analogous to the > megahertz myth, it’s not just “megabits per second”, but it’s inter-flow > latency, it’s intra-flow latency, it’s fairness, it’s IPDV, it’s all of this > under dynamic loads, it’s…complicated. And because it’s a complicated > problem, Cake has a number of solutions built into it, which you’ll talk > about... Perhaps Cake’s mascot should be a multi-headed creature of some > kind (the monster that Eric referred to), maybe a hydra. Cake is definitely > multi-headed. :) > > If this audience is aware of this already, just move beyond it more quickly, > but it’s worth hammering it home at least a bit, because again, where’s that > "Megabit myth" Wikipedia page? It doesnt exist, because it hasn’t yet sunk > in to the general consciousness that hey, why are we paying for 50Mbit > symmetric fiber connections that can feel like 5Mbit ADSL? > > Will the abandonment of network neutrality finally be the “Pentium Extreme > Edition” that brings the megabit myth to a head? > > A principal complaint of the reviewers of the paper was the lack of > real world tests, so I snuck in a couple sides for that and am working > on incorporating the graphs and other text from the paper. > > > I hadn’t noticed that complaint, but it’s legit. RRUL tests are interesting > and point out what “should” happen, but long-term “before and after” tests > on real networks and backhauls would be real proof. This doesn’t help you at > this late stage in the game, but let’s take that comment to heart in the > future. Meanwhile, do we have any quotes from users on how it improved their > experience, or is that too anecdotal? or quotes from people in the field? > > What does a ieee lanman2018 audience already grok, what needs to be > explained? > > > That’s a key question, you’ll probably have to feel the audience out unless > someone knows the conference already? > > I will be periodically updating the currently very raw > > http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/ieee.odp > > as we go along. Please share your thoughts.... > > > Will do, or also write if you’re in need of something specific… > -- Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619 _______________________________________________ Cake mailing list Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake
